The Gathering

1 Thessalonians 4
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Pastor Colin shares a message of hope and comfort, especially for those who have lost loved ones in Christ. He addresses those grieving over lost children, miscarriages, and those affected by abortion.

The overarching theme is “The Gathering,” based on 2 Thessalonians 2:1, describing the future event where Jesus will gather His children to Himself. This gathering includes all believers who have died and those who remain alive at His return.

Colin emphasises that Christians who knew and loved each other on earth will recognise and enjoy each other’s company in Heaven. He addresses common confusions and misconceptions surrounding this topic and assures that the relationships forged on earth will continue to provide joy in the afterlife.

The pastor also extends hope to grieving parents, including those who have lost infants or who regret an abortion. He suggests from biblical narratives and theological reflections that these lives are safe with God and can be part of the heavenly gathering.

Colin ultimately encourages everyone to look forward to this great reunion with comfort and hope, where all tears will be wiped away, and believers will be united with Christ and each other forever.

1 00:00:00,000 –> 00:00:03,400 The subject that is before us today is full of joy 2 00:00:03,400 –> 00:00:05,280 for every Christian. 3 00:00:05,280 –> 00:00:06,880 And I want to share with you today, 4 00:00:06,880 –> 00:00:11,040 especially a word of hope and a word of comfort. 5 00:00:11,040 –> 00:00:12,840 I want to speak especially today 6 00:00:12,840 –> 00:00:17,320 to all those who have lost a loved one in Christ. 7 00:00:17,320 –> 00:00:22,000 You are experiencing grief, sorrow, loss, 8 00:00:22,000 –> 00:00:24,139 and there is a word of hope and comfort 9 00:00:24,139 –> 00:00:26,200 from the Bible for you today. 10 00:00:26,200 –> 00:00:29,719 I want also to speak to all who have gone 11 00:00:29,799 –> 00:00:33,520 through the experience of losing a child. 12 00:00:33,520 –> 00:00:36,200 Want to speak as well to everyone who has gone 13 00:00:36,200 –> 00:00:39,200 through the experience of a miscarriage 14 00:00:40,099 –> 00:00:43,919 and a life was formed within you 15 00:00:43,919 –> 00:00:48,139 and yet you never saw his or her little face. 16 00:00:48,139 –> 00:00:51,160 You believe that a human life begins at conception. 17 00:00:51,160 –> 00:00:52,720 You believe that with all your heart. 18 00:00:52,720 –> 00:00:54,520 And so, sometimes you wonder 19 00:00:54,520 –> 00:00:57,639 what came off that little life that was begun? 20 00:00:58,639 –> 00:00:59,880 Well, I have a word of hope 21 00:00:59,880 –> 00:01:02,840 and a word of comfort for you today. 22 00:01:04,080 –> 00:01:06,080 Then I’ve been thinking, as many of us 23 00:01:06,080 –> 00:01:09,599 have over these last weeks and often, 24 00:01:09,599 –> 00:01:14,360 about that awful Holocaust of abortion 25 00:01:14,360 –> 00:01:19,120 that has cast such a dark shadow over our entire land. 26 00:01:20,160 –> 00:01:23,120 Nearly 50 million lives have been snuffed 27 00:01:23,120 –> 00:01:26,919 out through abortion since 1973 in our country, 28 00:01:26,919 –> 00:01:29,500 well over a million a year, 29 00:01:29,500 –> 00:01:34,400 continuing more than one in five of all pregnancies 30 00:01:34,400 –> 00:01:36,480 in our country end in abortion. 31 00:01:37,360 –> 00:01:39,000 And you must have asked the question, 32 00:01:39,000 –> 00:01:44,000 as I have, what comes of these millions 33 00:01:44,739 –> 00:01:48,279 who were given life, but never saw 34 00:01:48,279 –> 00:01:50,440 the light of this world? 35 00:01:50,440 –> 00:01:52,080 You must have thought about that. 36 00:01:52,400 –> 00:01:57,400 And what can we say to the fathers and mothers 37 00:01:57,860 –> 00:02:02,019 some of whom are here, who look back on a choice 38 00:02:02,019 –> 00:02:05,440 that they made to abort a child, 39 00:02:05,440 –> 00:02:07,800 and you look back on it now with bitter regret. 40 00:02:07,800 –> 00:02:10,399 You wish you had made a different choice. 41 00:02:10,399 –> 00:02:13,960 You have brought this to the blood of Christ. 42 00:02:13,960 –> 00:02:17,039 You have turned to your Savior over this, 43 00:02:17,039 –> 00:02:18,300 and yet you live with it, 44 00:02:18,300 –> 00:02:20,960 and there is a sense of guilt 45 00:02:21,000 –> 00:02:24,100 that hangs over and remains with many. 46 00:02:24,100 –> 00:02:29,059 I have a word of hope and comfort for you today, 47 00:02:29,059 –> 00:02:33,100 and with the help of God, I want to bring it to you. 48 00:02:33,100 –> 00:02:35,460 So the message today is called The Gathering. 49 00:02:35,460 –> 00:02:40,259 I’ve taken the title from 2 Thessalonians 2 in verse 1, 50 00:02:40,259 –> 00:02:43,259 where Paul speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ 51 00:02:43,259 –> 00:02:47,639 and our being gathered together to Him. 52 00:02:47,639 –> 00:02:50,380 This wonderful truth is written all across the scripture, 53 00:02:50,860 –> 00:02:52,740 one day the Lord Jesus was born in the manger, 54 00:02:52,740 –> 00:02:54,899 died on the cross and rose from the dead, 55 00:02:54,899 –> 00:02:56,860 who is now at the right hand of the father, 56 00:02:56,860 –> 00:03:00,139 is going to come again, and He is going to gather 57 00:03:00,139 –> 00:03:03,380 all of His children to Himself. 58 00:03:03,380 –> 00:03:05,960 He says, I go to prepare a place for you 59 00:03:05,960 –> 00:03:08,740 and I will come again and I will take you to be with Me 60 00:03:08,740 –> 00:03:12,460 that where I am you may be also. 61 00:03:12,460 –> 00:03:15,080 This word gather is used in many ways in the bible. 62 00:03:15,080 –> 00:03:20,080 Jesus speaks about gathering His wheat into the barn. 63 00:03:20,240 –> 00:03:21,779 Wonderful picture. 64 00:03:21,779 –> 00:03:25,800 And in Matthew and chapter 24, we read these words 65 00:03:25,800 –> 00:03:29,619 that people will see the son of man 66 00:03:29,619 –> 00:03:32,880 and they’ll see Him coming on the clouds of heaven 67 00:03:32,880 –> 00:03:34,479 with power and with glory. 68 00:03:34,479 –> 00:03:37,759 And when He comes in power and glory, what’s He going to do? 69 00:03:37,759 –> 00:03:41,440 He will send out His angels, the scripture says, 70 00:03:41,440 –> 00:03:44,039 with a loud trumpet call. 71 00:03:44,039 –> 00:03:45,520 And what will the angels do? 72 00:03:45,520 –> 00:03:47,820 They will gather the elect, 73 00:03:47,839 –> 00:03:50,940 that’s a word of Matthew 24, 31. 74 00:03:50,940 –> 00:03:53,839 They will gather the elect from the four winds, 75 00:03:53,839 –> 00:03:55,940 from every corner of the Earth, 76 00:03:55,940 –> 00:03:58,039 God’s own people will be gathered 77 00:03:58,039 –> 00:03:59,899 at the return of Jesus Christ. 78 00:03:59,899 –> 00:04:02,940 In fact, this gathering is already happening. 79 00:04:02,940 –> 00:04:07,139 We read in the Old Testament when Abraham died, 80 00:04:07,139 –> 00:04:10,139 he died full of years, the Bible says, 81 00:04:10,139 –> 00:04:13,139 and he was gathered to his people. 82 00:04:13,139 –> 00:04:14,380 That same word, gathered, 83 00:04:14,380 –> 00:04:17,500 is used of the death of Isaac and Jacob. 84 00:04:17,519 –> 00:04:19,980 This is what happens when a believer dies, you see. 85 00:04:19,980 –> 00:04:23,160 He or she is gathered by the Savior 86 00:04:23,160 –> 00:04:27,940 into the company of those who are already in his presence. 87 00:04:27,940 –> 00:04:30,200 It’s a wonderful, wonderful thing. 88 00:04:30,200 –> 00:04:34,119 God gathers you through death 89 00:04:34,119 –> 00:04:36,920 into the company of the people 90 00:04:36,920 –> 00:04:39,540 who are ready already with him in heaven. 91 00:04:39,540 –> 00:04:41,420 And so the gathering has begun, 92 00:04:41,420 –> 00:04:44,380 it is added to every time a believer dies, 93 00:04:44,380 –> 00:04:45,600 and what we’re looking at today 94 00:04:45,799 –> 00:04:49,200 is that one day this gathering will be wonderfully complete, 95 00:04:49,200 –> 00:04:50,700 and it will be complete on the day 96 00:04:50,700 –> 00:04:53,880 that the Lord Jesus returns in power and glory. 97 00:04:53,880 –> 00:04:55,600 And that day is described 98 00:04:55,600 –> 00:04:58,079 in First Thessalonians in chapter four 99 00:04:58,079 –> 00:04:59,779 and I hope you have your Bible open 100 00:04:59,779 –> 00:05:02,160 in front of you there today. 101 00:05:02,160 –> 00:05:03,920 Look at verse 13. 102 00:05:03,920 –> 00:05:06,119 “‘We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, 103 00:05:06,119 –> 00:05:08,320 “‘about those who fall asleep, 104 00:05:08,320 –> 00:05:11,279 “‘that you may not grieve as others do 105 00:05:11,279 –> 00:05:14,559 “‘who have no hope.’” 106 00:05:14,600 –> 00:05:16,519 Now, you’ll see immediately from that verse 107 00:05:16,519 –> 00:05:19,899 that this passage is spoken directly 108 00:05:19,899 –> 00:05:23,679 to Christians who have lost a loved one in Christ. 109 00:05:23,679 –> 00:05:26,619 And Paul, by the way, is not saying Christians don’t grieve. 110 00:05:26,619 –> 00:05:30,320 Of course Christians grieve when we lose a loved one. 111 00:05:30,320 –> 00:05:34,359 But what he’s saying is that our grieving is not hopeless. 112 00:05:34,359 –> 00:05:39,359 It’s different because we have a living hope in Jesus Christ. 113 00:05:40,820 –> 00:05:44,179 Christian grieving has three strands. 114 00:05:44,179 –> 00:05:46,279 We look back with thankfulness 115 00:05:46,279 –> 00:05:48,079 because of what God has given. 116 00:05:49,279 –> 00:05:51,640 We look around with sadness 117 00:05:51,640 –> 00:05:54,000 because of what God has taken away. 118 00:05:54,959 –> 00:05:57,320 But we look forward with hope 119 00:05:57,320 –> 00:05:59,359 because of what God has promised. 120 00:05:59,359 –> 00:06:01,600 These are the three strands of Christian grieving 121 00:06:01,600 –> 00:06:02,660 and it’s different 122 00:06:02,660 –> 00:06:06,339 because there is this forward looking dimension, 123 00:06:06,339 –> 00:06:08,480 the living hope of what lies ahead 124 00:06:08,480 –> 00:06:10,660 for all those who are in Jesus Christ. 125 00:06:10,660 –> 00:06:12,839 Now you say, well, what is it that is promised 126 00:06:12,839 –> 00:06:15,399 for the future for us who are grieving 127 00:06:15,399 –> 00:06:17,399 the loss of a loved one in Christ? 128 00:06:17,399 –> 00:06:18,920 Well look at verse 14. 129 00:06:18,920 –> 00:06:22,059 We believe that Jesus died and He rose again. 130 00:06:22,059 –> 00:06:26,200 Even so, through Jesus, God will bring with Him 131 00:06:26,200 –> 00:06:29,019 those who have fallen asleep. 132 00:06:29,019 –> 00:06:31,640 So here’s the great hope for a bereaved Christian 133 00:06:31,640 –> 00:06:33,859 as you grieve the loss of a loved one 134 00:06:33,859 –> 00:06:35,239 who is now with Christ, 135 00:06:35,239 –> 00:06:37,799 your believing loved ones who have died 136 00:06:37,799 –> 00:06:40,959 will be with Jesus when He comes. 137 00:06:40,959 –> 00:06:43,880 That’s the great promise that is given here. 138 00:06:43,880 –> 00:06:46,119 Then something else is said in verse 17 139 00:06:46,119 –> 00:06:48,600 for us who continue in this world. 140 00:06:48,600 –> 00:06:51,260 We who are alive, verse 17, 141 00:06:51,260 –> 00:06:52,459 we who are left, 142 00:06:52,459 –> 00:06:55,519 that’s until the time of the coming of the Lord Jesus. 143 00:06:55,519 –> 00:06:58,739 We will be caught up together with them. 144 00:06:58,739 –> 00:07:00,239 Notice that with them. 145 00:07:00,239 –> 00:07:03,399 That’s with the believers who are already with Christ, 146 00:07:03,399 –> 00:07:06,079 will be caught up with them in the clouds 147 00:07:06,079 –> 00:07:09,720 to meet the Lord in the air. 148 00:07:09,720 –> 00:07:12,059 Now the whole point of this passage, friends, 149 00:07:12,059 –> 00:07:14,059 is to comfort Christians 150 00:07:14,059 –> 00:07:17,200 who have lost believing loved ones. 151 00:07:17,200 –> 00:07:18,700 And here’s the comfort. 152 00:07:18,700 –> 00:07:23,440 You will see them again. 153 00:07:23,440 –> 00:07:24,779 When will you see them? 154 00:07:24,779 –> 00:07:27,459 You will see them on the day when the Lord Jesus comes 155 00:07:27,459 –> 00:07:30,579 if you have not died to go and be with them before. 156 00:07:30,579 –> 00:07:33,660 Jesus will bring your believing loved ones with Him, 157 00:07:33,660 –> 00:07:37,260 and on that day, your first joy will be to see Jesus, 158 00:07:37,279 –> 00:07:41,660 and your next joy will be to see your loved ones 159 00:07:41,660 –> 00:07:45,220 who right now are with Him already. 160 00:07:45,220 –> 00:07:47,660 And that is why Paul says to grieving Christians 161 00:07:47,660 –> 00:07:52,660 in verse 18, encourage one another with these words. 162 00:07:54,179 –> 00:07:58,579 What a marvelous day of reunion this is going to be 163 00:07:58,579 –> 00:08:02,140 when Christ gathers all of His people. 164 00:08:03,140 –> 00:08:06,500 And so it is very, very clear from this 165 00:08:06,500 –> 00:08:11,500 that Christians who knew and loved each other on Earth 166 00:08:11,799 –> 00:08:15,959 will know and love each other in Heaven. 167 00:08:16,799 –> 00:08:18,459 Otherwise, there is no comfort here, 168 00:08:18,459 –> 00:08:20,859 there’s the whole point of the comfort. 169 00:08:20,859 –> 00:08:23,500 They’re not with you now, you don’t see them now. 170 00:08:23,500 –> 00:08:26,500 But you’ll be with them again when Jesus comes, 171 00:08:26,500 –> 00:08:28,660 there’s going to be this great reunion, 172 00:08:28,660 –> 00:08:31,980 Christians who have known and loved each other on Earth 173 00:08:31,980 –> 00:08:34,479 will know and love each other in Heaven. 174 00:08:34,599 –> 00:08:37,359 This is the great comfort for every person 175 00:08:37,359 –> 00:08:40,440 who is bereaved and has lost a loved one 176 00:08:40,440 –> 00:08:42,200 who is now with the Lord. 177 00:08:42,200 –> 00:08:45,679 Now, this is the comfort that is given. 178 00:08:47,080 –> 00:08:49,460 And yet I have to tell you, 179 00:08:49,460 –> 00:08:53,299 looking back over more than 30 years in ministry, 180 00:08:54,840 –> 00:08:57,500 that it seems to me that many, many Christians 181 00:08:57,500 –> 00:08:59,960 are confused at this point. 182 00:09:00,880 –> 00:09:03,520 Many, many Christians do not derive comfort, 183 00:09:03,580 –> 00:09:04,760 do not derive hope 184 00:09:04,760 –> 00:09:08,299 because they have not clearly grasped this truth 185 00:09:08,299 –> 00:09:12,239 that we will know and enjoy relationship 186 00:09:12,239 –> 00:09:15,479 in the presence of Jesus. 187 00:09:15,479 –> 00:09:17,440 And I’ve tried to think why is this, 188 00:09:17,440 –> 00:09:18,979 at least in my experience, 189 00:09:18,979 –> 00:09:19,820 I tell you, 190 00:09:19,820 –> 00:09:22,559 many, many Christians just haven’t got this, 191 00:09:22,559 –> 00:09:23,880 it’s not clear in their minds. 192 00:09:23,880 –> 00:09:25,739 And I, with all my heart, 193 00:09:25,739 –> 00:09:28,299 I want that today this will get clear 194 00:09:28,299 –> 00:09:30,479 and settled in your mind. 195 00:09:31,580 –> 00:09:33,159 We shall know one another in heaven. 196 00:09:33,859 –> 00:09:35,520 There’s a great day of reunion that lies ahead of us. 197 00:09:35,520 –> 00:09:37,179 I want you to have this settled in your mind 198 00:09:37,179 –> 00:09:39,460 because this is a major part of the comfort 199 00:09:39,460 –> 00:09:41,140 that God gives to us 200 00:09:41,140 –> 00:09:43,580 and the anticipation of that great day. 201 00:09:45,020 –> 00:09:46,299 So I’ve asked the question, 202 00:09:46,299 –> 00:09:48,539 why would it be that so many Christians 203 00:09:48,539 –> 00:09:52,179 are confused over this? 204 00:09:52,179 –> 00:09:53,419 Unsettled. 205 00:09:53,419 –> 00:09:54,539 Not clear. 206 00:09:55,820 –> 00:09:59,580 Let me suggest three reasons why that may be. 207 00:09:59,580 –> 00:10:01,340 The first is that I think very simply 208 00:10:01,340 –> 00:10:03,640 many Christians have simply not thought deeply 209 00:10:03,640 –> 00:10:05,299 about the resurrection. 210 00:10:05,299 –> 00:10:07,619 Have you thought deeply about the resurrection? 211 00:10:08,900 –> 00:10:11,599 Many Christians have only a vague belief 212 00:10:11,599 –> 00:10:13,400 in a sort of afterlife. 213 00:10:13,400 –> 00:10:15,099 No more. 214 00:10:15,099 –> 00:10:17,359 They believe in surviving death 215 00:10:17,359 –> 00:10:19,859 in a shadowy world of spirits, 216 00:10:19,859 –> 00:10:21,940 but they’re not clear about the resurrection. 217 00:10:21,940 –> 00:10:24,260 For all the Easter services they’ve been to, 218 00:10:24,260 –> 00:10:27,099 they don’t get that the resurrection is the cornerstone, 219 00:10:27,099 –> 00:10:28,919 the pillar, of the whole Christian faith, 220 00:10:28,919 –> 00:10:30,719 you haven’t thought about it deeply. 221 00:10:32,340 –> 00:10:34,299 And so they feel that whatever good there is 222 00:10:34,299 –> 00:10:38,039 in a vague, shadowy world called Heaven 223 00:10:38,039 –> 00:10:41,260 is going to be less than the real solid joys 224 00:10:41,260 –> 00:10:43,219 of life in this material world. 225 00:10:43,219 –> 00:10:44,739 Is that what you think? 226 00:10:44,739 –> 00:10:46,059 Is that how it is for you? 227 00:10:47,820 –> 00:10:51,119 Heaven seems to them to be like a kind of half life, 228 00:10:51,960 –> 00:10:55,179 a kind of compensation for those who got too old 229 00:10:55,179 –> 00:10:56,419 or else died too young, 230 00:10:56,419 –> 00:10:58,979 and did not have the strength to continue 231 00:10:59,020 –> 00:11:01,219 in this world where all the real action is. 232 00:11:02,659 –> 00:11:03,520 Think about it. 233 00:11:04,780 –> 00:11:07,460 If we did not know one another in Heaven, 234 00:11:07,460 –> 00:11:09,820 life there would be less than it is here, 235 00:11:09,820 –> 00:11:10,960 and that’s impossible. 236 00:11:12,760 –> 00:11:14,979 If we did not know one another in Heaven, 237 00:11:14,979 –> 00:11:16,580 life would be less in Heaven 238 00:11:16,580 –> 00:11:18,239 than it was even in the Garden of Eden, 239 00:11:18,239 –> 00:11:21,140 where Adam and Eve knew and enjoyed relationship together. 240 00:11:23,159 –> 00:11:24,440 And if that was the case, 241 00:11:24,440 –> 00:11:26,299 then Satan would have won something 242 00:11:26,299 –> 00:11:28,299 because what Adam lost 243 00:11:28,340 –> 00:11:30,340 would not have been restored, 244 00:11:31,580 –> 00:11:33,500 and that’s impossible. 245 00:11:33,500 –> 00:11:35,799 Listen, please get this clear. 246 00:11:35,799 –> 00:11:37,099 The Christian hope 247 00:11:37,099 –> 00:11:40,739 is much more than the survival of the soul. 248 00:11:40,739 –> 00:11:45,239 The Christian hope is the resurrection of the body. 249 00:11:45,239 –> 00:11:47,700 That’s an Amen moment, right? 250 00:11:47,700 –> 00:11:50,059 We will know one another in Heaven. 251 00:11:50,059 –> 00:11:51,979 You say, how are you so sure of that? 252 00:11:51,979 –> 00:11:53,340 Think of what Jesus says. 253 00:11:53,340 –> 00:11:56,059 Many will come from east and west 254 00:11:56,059 –> 00:11:57,659 and will recline at the table 255 00:11:57,659 –> 00:12:01,020 with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob 256 00:12:01,020 –> 00:12:02,340 in the kingdom of Heaven. 257 00:12:02,340 –> 00:12:04,580 In other words, Abraham is there as Abraham, 258 00:12:04,580 –> 00:12:05,799 Isaac is there as Isaac, 259 00:12:05,799 –> 00:12:07,179 Jacob is there as Jacob. 260 00:12:07,179 –> 00:12:10,299 Real people who lived at times and places in history, 261 00:12:10,299 –> 00:12:13,400 identifiable there in the presence of Jesus. 262 00:12:14,400 –> 00:12:16,140 When Moses and Elijah appear 263 00:12:16,140 –> 00:12:17,840 on the mounts of transfiguration, 264 00:12:17,840 –> 00:12:20,140 Peter, James and John, who have never met them, 265 00:12:20,140 –> 00:12:21,340 know who they are. 266 00:12:22,979 –> 00:12:25,619 And when the risen Lord Jesus appears to His disciples, 267 00:12:25,679 –> 00:12:28,580 they recognize Him in the resurrection body. 268 00:12:30,260 –> 00:12:33,099 So I say to you, Christians who knew each other on earth 269 00:12:33,099 –> 00:12:37,340 will know and enjoy each other in Heaven. 270 00:12:38,760 –> 00:12:42,200 There’s another reason why I think some Christians 271 00:12:42,200 –> 00:12:46,479 are confused over this issue and unsettled about it. 272 00:12:46,479 –> 00:12:49,039 And that is that I think many Christians 273 00:12:49,039 –> 00:12:51,400 have misunderstood or misapplied 274 00:12:51,400 –> 00:12:53,099 the words that Jesus spoke 275 00:12:53,099 –> 00:12:56,260 about there being no marriage in Heaven. 276 00:12:56,260 –> 00:12:58,419 Do you remember Jesus spoke about that? 277 00:12:58,419 –> 00:13:00,159 Let’s look at what he said. 278 00:13:00,159 –> 00:13:02,460 It’s in Mark chapter 12 and verse 25. 279 00:13:02,460 –> 00:13:06,320 Jesus said, when they arise from the dead, 280 00:13:06,320 –> 00:13:11,320 they neither marry, nor are they given in marriage, 281 00:13:11,479 –> 00:13:15,219 but are like the angels in Heaven. 282 00:13:16,039 –> 00:13:20,340 Now, the statement of Jesus that there is no marriage 283 00:13:20,400 –> 00:13:22,880 in Heaven is absolutely clear. 284 00:13:22,880 –> 00:13:25,179 There will be many things that are different, 285 00:13:26,380 –> 00:13:29,539 but some Christians seem to have taken this to mean 286 00:13:30,520 –> 00:13:33,760 that we would no longer be male and female in Heaven. 287 00:13:36,299 –> 00:13:37,960 If we’re no longer male and female, 288 00:13:37,960 –> 00:13:41,919 you are you and I am me, right? 289 00:13:41,919 –> 00:13:46,919 God created us with this wonderful, wonderful gift 290 00:13:47,700 –> 00:13:52,039 and some Christians seem to have got the idea 291 00:13:52,039 –> 00:13:54,280 that because Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven, 292 00:13:54,280 –> 00:13:55,340 that somehow that would mean 293 00:13:55,340 –> 00:13:56,799 that there was no affection in Heaven 294 00:13:56,799 –> 00:13:58,500 or no relationship in Heaven. 295 00:14:01,299 –> 00:14:05,119 So, we have love here, but no relationship there. 296 00:14:05,119 –> 00:14:07,119 That makes everything in Heaven less? 297 00:14:07,119 –> 00:14:08,479 How could it possibly be? 298 00:14:10,799 –> 00:14:12,700 No, everything that makes us wonderfully different 299 00:14:12,700 –> 00:14:13,539 will remain. 300 00:14:13,539 –> 00:14:14,679 Everything that divides us 301 00:14:14,719 –> 00:14:17,559 will be wonderfully, wonderfully overcome. 302 00:14:17,559 –> 00:14:20,619 The whole purpose of God throughout the entire Bible story 303 00:14:20,619 –> 00:14:25,619 is to redeem a community of people for himself. 304 00:14:25,739 –> 00:14:27,219 That is why in Ephesians, 305 00:14:27,219 –> 00:14:30,179 Paul speaks about the whole family of God 306 00:14:30,179 –> 00:14:32,260 in Earth and in Heaven. 307 00:14:33,380 –> 00:14:37,099 Real people with real faces and real dates of birth 308 00:14:37,099 –> 00:14:39,700 and addresses that you could write on a postcard 309 00:14:39,700 –> 00:14:42,099 in this world identifiably there 310 00:14:42,099 –> 00:14:44,059 in the presence of Jesus in Heaven. 311 00:14:45,119 –> 00:14:46,880 In relationship with the Savior 312 00:14:47,900 –> 00:14:52,200 and in relationship with one another. 313 00:14:52,200 –> 00:14:53,359 You will know yourself. 314 00:14:53,359 –> 00:14:54,340 We will know each other. 315 00:14:54,340 –> 00:14:56,919 We will know Christ, even as he knows us, 316 00:14:56,919 –> 00:15:00,340 and we will have joy in each other. 317 00:15:00,340 –> 00:15:02,419 Let me give you another scripture. 318 00:15:02,419 –> 00:15:05,020 First Thessalonians chapter two and verse nine. 319 00:15:05,979 –> 00:15:10,440 Paul, who loved and served the group of believers there, 320 00:15:10,440 –> 00:15:12,460 the little church in Thessaloniki, 321 00:15:12,500 –> 00:15:15,520 poured his life into them, worked there, served among them, 322 00:15:15,520 –> 00:15:17,260 and there was real relationship. 323 00:15:18,380 –> 00:15:19,679 They were a joy to him. 324 00:15:20,900 –> 00:15:22,619 Paul says as he’s speaking 325 00:15:22,619 –> 00:15:24,179 about being in the presence of Jesus, 326 00:15:24,179 –> 00:15:26,659 this is First Thessalonians 2.19, 327 00:15:26,659 –> 00:15:30,799 he says that these believers will be his joy 328 00:15:30,799 –> 00:15:34,020 and his crown in heaven. 329 00:15:34,020 –> 00:15:35,739 In other words, it is quite clear 330 00:15:35,739 –> 00:15:38,539 from First Thessalonians 2.19 331 00:15:38,539 –> 00:15:41,020 that the special relationship forged 332 00:15:41,119 –> 00:15:45,140 between Paul and the believers in Ephesus on earth 333 00:15:45,140 –> 00:15:47,359 is a relationship that will continue 334 00:15:47,359 –> 00:15:49,359 to give joy to him in heaven. 335 00:15:49,359 –> 00:15:51,140 He says, I look forward to this. 336 00:15:51,140 –> 00:15:53,059 You have been my joy on earth 337 00:15:53,059 –> 00:15:55,419 and you will be my join in heaven. 338 00:15:55,419 –> 00:15:57,559 See, that’s relationship, real people, 339 00:15:58,580 –> 00:16:00,859 redeemed from this world 340 00:16:00,859 –> 00:16:04,020 and brought with great joy into the presence of Jesus. 341 00:16:04,020 –> 00:16:07,059 This is why Jonathan Edwards says 342 00:16:07,059 –> 00:16:10,679 the special affection that the saints have 343 00:16:10,739 –> 00:16:14,960 in this world towards other saints who are their friends 344 00:16:14,960 –> 00:16:19,679 will, in some respect, remain in another world. 345 00:16:19,679 –> 00:16:20,960 That’s Jonathan Edwards. 346 00:16:21,840 –> 00:16:25,719 The special affection that Christians have 347 00:16:25,719 –> 00:16:29,880 in this world towards other believers who are their friends 348 00:16:29,880 –> 00:16:34,840 will, in some respect, remain in another world. 349 00:16:35,760 –> 00:16:37,419 And so, with all that will be different 350 00:16:37,419 –> 00:16:38,940 that we cannot understand 351 00:16:38,940 –> 00:16:41,419 because there is so much mystery related to this. 352 00:16:41,419 –> 00:16:44,179 We’re given what we can understand for our comfort, 353 00:16:44,179 –> 00:16:47,479 our hope and our joy, and what we can understand is this, 354 00:16:47,479 –> 00:16:49,059 that Christians who knew and loved 355 00:16:49,059 –> 00:16:50,979 and enjoyed each other on earth 356 00:16:50,979 –> 00:16:55,020 will know and love and enjoy each other in heaven. 357 00:16:55,020 –> 00:16:56,299 It’s wonderful, wonderful. 358 00:16:58,539 –> 00:17:00,479 Now, I think that there’s a third reason 359 00:17:00,479 –> 00:17:02,840 why many Christians have been confused 360 00:17:02,840 –> 00:17:06,859 and unsettled about this whole business. 361 00:17:06,859 –> 00:17:08,900 One is that many have not thought 362 00:17:08,900 –> 00:17:11,339 seriously about the resurrection. 363 00:17:11,339 –> 00:17:13,739 Another is that some have misunderstood 364 00:17:13,739 –> 00:17:15,099 what Jesus said about there being 365 00:17:15,099 –> 00:17:17,060 no marriage in heaven and so forth. 366 00:17:18,020 –> 00:17:19,479 A third reason, I think, why many 367 00:17:19,479 –> 00:17:21,619 are unsettled and confused about this 368 00:17:21,619 –> 00:17:26,099 is that many Christians are perplexed 369 00:17:26,099 –> 00:17:29,260 by the unsolved problems that plague 370 00:17:29,260 –> 00:17:32,199 the lives of believers in this world. 371 00:17:33,160 –> 00:17:37,079 You think of all the disputes, all the difficulties, 372 00:17:38,000 –> 00:17:40,640 all of the troubles that Christian believers 373 00:17:40,640 –> 00:17:42,859 have experienced at every time and place 374 00:17:42,859 –> 00:17:44,680 across the history of this world. 375 00:17:45,640 –> 00:17:47,920 Every Christian marriage that has become fraught 376 00:17:47,920 –> 00:17:49,599 and has become so, so difficult 377 00:17:49,599 –> 00:17:51,959 and in some cases has broken down completely. 378 00:17:52,880 –> 00:17:55,319 Every situation within the body of Christ 379 00:17:55,319 –> 00:17:57,280 and within Christian missions where, 380 00:17:57,280 –> 00:17:58,760 you know, Paul has gone one way 381 00:17:58,760 –> 00:18:00,739 and a Barnabas has gone another. 382 00:18:01,459 –> 00:18:03,660 And you ask the question, how in the world 383 00:18:03,660 –> 00:18:07,699 does the Lord Jesus sort all of that stuff out in heaven. 384 00:18:07,699 –> 00:18:10,219 Would you agree with me that as Christians, 385 00:18:10,219 –> 00:18:14,239 we all carry some baggage into heaven with us, right? 386 00:18:14,239 –> 00:18:15,219 We wouldn’t be getting there 387 00:18:15,219 –> 00:18:17,780 except for the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. 388 00:18:17,780 –> 00:18:20,439 We all carry baggage with us. 389 00:18:21,640 –> 00:18:24,619 So, I think many Christians become confused 390 00:18:24,619 –> 00:18:27,219 because we naturally ask the question, 391 00:18:27,219 –> 00:18:28,780 and you’ve perhaps said this 392 00:18:29,300 –> 00:18:33,020 and I have, how does the Lord sort all this out in heaven? 393 00:18:33,939 –> 00:18:34,900 How does He sort it out? 394 00:18:34,900 –> 00:18:36,760 What we’ve not been able to sort out down here 395 00:18:36,760 –> 00:18:37,959 with our best efforts. 396 00:18:40,079 –> 00:18:44,680 That point was really at the root of the question 397 00:18:44,680 –> 00:18:48,260 that the Sadducees, who you remember didn’t believe 398 00:18:48,260 –> 00:18:52,579 in the resurrection at all, ask Jesus on one occasion. 399 00:18:52,579 –> 00:18:56,180 You see, they had just abandoned any real faith 400 00:18:56,180 –> 00:18:57,060 in the resurrection. 401 00:18:57,060 –> 00:18:58,579 In fact, they denied it completely 402 00:18:58,579 –> 00:19:00,500 because they had come to the conclusion 403 00:19:00,500 –> 00:19:03,420 that taking real identifiable people from here 404 00:19:03,420 –> 00:19:05,660 and having them there in heaven 405 00:19:05,660 –> 00:19:08,260 just posed so many insoluble problems 406 00:19:08,260 –> 00:19:09,660 that would kind of blow your mind 407 00:19:09,660 –> 00:19:11,939 and how could that ever work out? 408 00:19:12,959 –> 00:19:15,479 And so they were trying to bait Jesus of course 409 00:19:15,479 –> 00:19:17,400 but you remember they asked him this question. 410 00:19:17,400 –> 00:19:20,140 You’ll find it in Mark in chapter 12. 411 00:19:20,140 –> 00:19:21,839 They said, well now Jesus, about the resurrection, 412 00:19:21,839 –> 00:19:24,260 you can just imagine the tone of this. 413 00:19:24,260 –> 00:19:25,579 Now, let me ask you a question 414 00:19:25,579 –> 00:19:27,479 about this, Jesus, the resurrection. 415 00:19:27,520 –> 00:19:29,979 Now suppose there’s a woman and she has a husband 416 00:19:29,979 –> 00:19:31,319 and the husband dies 417 00:19:32,199 –> 00:19:35,020 and suppose she then marries another husband. 418 00:19:35,020 –> 00:19:37,619 Well some of us have asked this question 419 00:19:38,479 –> 00:19:39,680 and it’s very real and it’s very personal 420 00:19:39,680 –> 00:19:42,500 and you think how does all that work out, you see? 421 00:19:43,719 –> 00:19:45,439 But they wanted really to make their point 422 00:19:45,439 –> 00:19:47,560 and so they said suppose the second husband dies 423 00:19:47,560 –> 00:19:49,319 and she marries a third and a fourth and a fifth. 424 00:19:49,319 –> 00:19:52,119 Suppose this woman has seven husbands, they say. 425 00:19:52,119 –> 00:19:54,280 They’re really making their point 426 00:19:54,280 –> 00:19:55,400 and all of them die. 427 00:19:55,619 –> 00:19:57,239 It’s like some woman. 428 00:19:57,239 –> 00:20:02,239 And finally the woman dies 429 00:20:03,099 –> 00:20:05,280 and now they’re all in heaven now. 430 00:20:05,280 –> 00:20:07,439 Who’s gonna be her husband, you see? 431 00:20:09,119 –> 00:20:11,199 And it’s kind of a gotcha there, you know. 432 00:20:12,439 –> 00:20:14,239 And remember what Jesus said to them? 433 00:20:15,359 –> 00:20:18,160 He said you know neither the Scriptures 434 00:20:18,160 –> 00:20:19,500 nor the power of God. 435 00:20:21,160 –> 00:20:22,719 And that’s a word we need to hear. 436 00:20:22,719 –> 00:20:24,479 He said you don’t know the Scriptures 437 00:20:24,540 –> 00:20:27,380 because the Scripture makes plain the resurrection. 438 00:20:27,380 –> 00:20:29,119 So you ought to believe in the resurrection 439 00:20:29,119 –> 00:20:30,920 because it’s very clear in the Scriptures. 440 00:20:30,920 –> 00:20:32,000 So if you believe the Scriptures 441 00:20:32,000 –> 00:20:33,760 you do believe in the resurrection. 442 00:20:34,819 –> 00:20:36,699 But your other problem says Jesus 443 00:20:36,699 –> 00:20:38,280 is you don’t know the power of God. 444 00:20:38,280 –> 00:20:40,359 You’re thinking simply in human terms here. 445 00:20:40,359 –> 00:20:43,380 You’re not reckoning on the amazing, 446 00:20:43,380 –> 00:20:45,420 amazing, redeeming power of God. 447 00:20:45,420 –> 00:20:50,300 You’re just not factoring that in and that’s your problem. 448 00:20:50,300 –> 00:20:51,500 That’s your problem. 449 00:20:52,439 –> 00:20:56,839 Now let’s then think of this. 450 00:20:58,040 –> 00:21:02,199 How is God going to sort all the baggage out? 451 00:21:03,880 –> 00:21:06,500 What about these disputes between Christians 452 00:21:06,500 –> 00:21:07,880 that could not be resolved? 453 00:21:07,880 –> 00:21:09,739 These fraught relationships. 454 00:21:10,739 –> 00:21:13,959 Paul goes one way, Barnabas goes another. 455 00:21:15,160 –> 00:21:18,560 How will it be possible for all of God’s people 456 00:21:18,560 –> 00:21:21,319 to be perfectly happy in Heaven 457 00:21:21,339 –> 00:21:23,359 when sometimes we have made each other 458 00:21:23,359 –> 00:21:25,079 quite miserable here on Earth? 459 00:21:27,640 –> 00:21:29,420 Let me read to you a phrase that I found 460 00:21:29,420 –> 00:21:33,260 in Bishop Ryle that I found really helpful this week. 461 00:21:33,260 –> 00:21:35,000 He’s talking about Heaven 462 00:21:35,000 –> 00:21:37,160 and how it will be a company of Christians 463 00:21:37,160 –> 00:21:40,560 in which there will be no squabbling 464 00:21:40,560 –> 00:21:42,040 and no discord. 465 00:21:43,319 –> 00:21:44,260 And he says this, 466 00:21:44,260 –> 00:21:48,359 “‘Every man’s graces will be fully developed 467 00:21:49,140 –> 00:21:52,319 and every man’s besetting sins 468 00:21:52,319 –> 00:21:56,760 dropped off like beech leaves in the spring.’” 469 00:21:56,760 –> 00:21:57,660 That’s beautiful. 470 00:21:59,000 –> 00:22:00,359 So you have to count on this, 471 00:22:00,359 –> 00:22:03,359 the Bible says that when we see Him, 472 00:22:04,359 –> 00:22:06,119 we will be like Him. 473 00:22:07,839 –> 00:22:10,800 And when you are in the presence of Jesus 474 00:22:10,800 –> 00:22:12,219 and his redeeming work in you 475 00:22:12,219 –> 00:22:15,099 as a Christian believer is complete, 476 00:22:15,119 –> 00:22:20,119 you will be so amazed that you are so like Jesus. 477 00:22:22,040 –> 00:22:24,400 You’ll be overcome with joy in regard to this 478 00:22:24,400 –> 00:22:26,459 with regards to yourself. 479 00:22:26,459 –> 00:22:29,420 You’ll say, it’s me, I know it’s me and I’m here. 480 00:22:29,420 –> 00:22:31,920 I could not have imagined 481 00:22:31,920 –> 00:22:34,180 that I’d have ever be so like Jesus. 482 00:22:35,760 –> 00:22:37,560 And all my besetting sins gone 483 00:22:37,560 –> 00:22:39,800 and everything that is the fruit of God’s grace 484 00:22:39,800 –> 00:22:40,900 made perfect in me. 485 00:22:40,900 –> 00:22:44,800 And it’s you made perfect, glorified, 486 00:22:44,800 –> 00:22:45,640 you. 487 00:22:46,900 –> 00:22:49,400 And then being overwhelmed by the amazing grace of God 488 00:22:49,400 –> 00:22:51,959 and this miracle of glorification in yourself, 489 00:22:51,959 –> 00:22:53,660 you’re going to find equal joy 490 00:22:53,660 –> 00:22:56,000 in seeing with absolute amazement 491 00:22:57,180 –> 00:23:01,859 that same glory perfected in the brother, the sister 492 00:23:01,859 –> 00:23:04,020 who caused you so much difficulty 493 00:23:04,020 –> 00:23:06,500 in so many ways here in this life below 494 00:23:06,500 –> 00:23:09,439 and they will be so amazed at what they see in you. 495 00:23:10,359 –> 00:23:15,359 Brothers and sisters who have made life difficult 496 00:23:15,719 –> 00:23:17,920 for each other below will turn out 497 00:23:17,920 –> 00:23:22,260 to be a joy to each other in heaven. 498 00:23:23,560 –> 00:23:27,339 And I’ll tell you this, I don’t think for a minute 499 00:23:27,339 –> 00:23:32,040 that any of us will feel the need to plow over the past 500 00:23:32,939 –> 00:23:37,520 when the present and the future is so full of glory, 501 00:23:39,739 –> 00:23:42,959 and by the way, that is the most powerful incentive 502 00:23:42,959 –> 00:23:45,000 to do everything that we can to live 503 00:23:45,000 –> 00:23:46,660 at peace with each other now, 504 00:23:46,660 –> 00:23:48,380 and to produce the fruit of godliness 505 00:23:48,380 –> 00:23:50,180 in every difficult relationship 506 00:23:50,180 –> 00:23:52,760 that you experience even now. 507 00:23:52,760 –> 00:23:55,739 See, John says when we see him, we’ll be like him, 508 00:23:55,739 –> 00:23:58,040 that’s the hope, that’s what’s gonna happen 509 00:23:58,040 –> 00:24:00,680 for you and for your brother in Christ, 510 00:24:00,680 –> 00:24:02,020 your sister in Christ, 511 00:24:02,020 –> 00:24:04,020 where things are so difficult right now. 512 00:24:04,959 –> 00:24:06,400 But he says in the light of what’s going 513 00:24:06,400 –> 00:24:08,119 to happen, he says now everyone 514 00:24:08,160 –> 00:24:09,800 who has this hope in him 515 00:24:10,859 –> 00:24:14,000 purifies himself even as Christ is pure. 516 00:24:14,920 –> 00:24:16,040 In other words, when you know 517 00:24:16,040 –> 00:24:17,660 that that’s where it’s gonna end, 518 00:24:18,599 –> 00:24:20,319 you have all the incentive in the world 519 00:24:20,319 –> 00:24:23,560 to go after as much of that as possible 520 00:24:23,560 –> 00:24:25,239 here in this world now with the help 521 00:24:25,239 –> 00:24:27,400 of the Holy Spirit, that’s why Paul says 522 00:24:27,400 –> 00:24:29,060 as far as it is possible, 523 00:24:29,060 –> 00:24:30,459 as far as it depends on you, 524 00:24:30,459 –> 00:24:33,079 seek to live at peace with everybody, 525 00:24:33,079 –> 00:24:34,520 because that’s ultimately where God 526 00:24:34,520 –> 00:24:37,359 is going to bring us in Jesus Christ. 527 00:24:37,359 –> 00:24:41,219 And it’s wonderful, and it’s glorious, 528 00:24:41,219 –> 00:24:44,040 and it’s an immense comfort 529 00:24:44,040 –> 00:24:46,140 in the hardest and most difficult 530 00:24:46,140 –> 00:24:49,079 situations that we experience 531 00:24:49,079 –> 00:24:51,300 in life in this world. 532 00:24:52,160 –> 00:24:53,400 So I’m saying to you here 533 00:24:53,400 –> 00:24:55,020 that Christians who have found 534 00:24:55,020 –> 00:24:57,739 each other difficult on earth 535 00:24:57,739 –> 00:24:59,959 will be a blessing and a joy 536 00:24:59,959 –> 00:25:03,420 to each other in heaven. 537 00:25:03,420 –> 00:25:04,599 Thanks be to God. 538 00:25:05,479 –> 00:25:07,859 Now as we think of this great 539 00:25:07,859 –> 00:25:09,180 gathering, which is our theme 540 00:25:09,180 –> 00:25:12,180 here today, one question 541 00:25:12,180 –> 00:25:14,839 that is often raised 542 00:25:14,839 –> 00:25:16,719 is the question of children 543 00:25:16,719 –> 00:25:19,719 who die in infancy. 544 00:25:19,719 –> 00:25:22,319 What comes of them? 545 00:25:22,319 –> 00:25:25,040 What will they be like? 546 00:25:25,040 –> 00:25:26,699 What about these lives, 547 00:25:26,699 –> 00:25:28,420 these millions of lives 548 00:25:28,420 –> 00:25:30,859 that began in the womb 549 0025:30,859 –> 00:25:32,880 and were never brought to birth 550 00:25:32,880 –> 00:25:34,599 in this world? 551 00:25:34,599 –> 00:25:37,160 What about them? 552 00:25:37,160 –> 00:25:38,560 I want to try and answer 553 00:25:38,560 –> 00:25:40,979 that question in two stages. 554 00:25:40,979 –> 00:25:42,099 First, for the children 555 00:25:42,099 –> 00:25:43,699 of believers 556 00:25:43,699 –> 00:25:47,900 and second for others. 557 00:25:47,900 –> 00:25:50,439 The place to begin here 558 00:25:50,439 –> 00:25:53,040 is with the story of David’s son 559 00:25:53,040 –> 00:25:55,780 who died in infancy. 560 00:25:55,780 –> 00:25:57,420 You remember when David 561 00:25:57,420 –> 00:25:59,119 and Bathsheba were together 562 00:25:59,119 –> 00:26:00,479 what came of that was 563 00:26:00,479 –> 00:26:02,060 the birth of a little boy 564 00:26:02,079 –> 00:26:03,140 who early in his life 565 00:26:03,140 –> 00:26:05,680 became very ill. 566 00:26:05,680 –> 00:26:07,199 David pleaded with God 567 00:26:07,199 –> 00:26:08,459 that the life of the little boy 568 00:26:08,459 –> 00:26:10,219 should be spared 569 00:26:10,219 –> 00:26:11,219 but in the end 570 00:26:11,219 –> 00:26:12,780 after a period of time 571 00:26:12,780 –> 00:26:15,099 the child died. 572 00:26:15,099 –> 00:26:16,699 Then David said 573 00:26:16,699 –> 00:26:17,619 and this is recorded 574 00:26:17,619 –> 00:26:19,719 in second Samuel chapter 12 575 00:26:19,719 –> 00:26:21,359 verse 23. 576 00:26:21,359 –> 00:26:22,180 David said, 577 00:26:22,180 –> 00:26:24,939 I shall go to him 578 00:26:24,939 –> 00:26:29,420 but he shall not return to me. 579 00:26:29,420 –> 00:26:30,219 He is talking about 580 00:26:30,420 –> 00:26:32,619 that child who has died 581 00:26:32,619 –> 00:26:33,599 and when David said 582 00:26:33,599 –> 00:26:36,000 I shall go to him 583 00:26:36,000 –> 00:26:37,800 he clearly knew 584 00:26:37,800 –> 00:26:40,180 that his son was already safe 585 00:26:40,180 –> 00:26:41,859 in the presence of God 586 00:26:41,859 –> 00:26:43,300 and that one day 587 00:26:43,300 –> 00:26:45,900 father and son would be reunited. 588 00:26:45,900 –> 00:26:47,500 That’s his hope. 589 00:26:47,500 –> 00:26:48,979 He says this 590 00:26:48,979 –> 00:26:50,020 about the little boy 591 00:26:50,020 –> 00:26:53,099 he says he is not going to come back to me. 592 00:26:53,099 –> 00:26:53,699 He has died. 593 00:26:53,699 –> 00:26:54,859 He is not coming back. 594 00:26:54,859 –> 00:26:57,599 I have to accept that 595 00:26:57,599 –> 00:26:59,800 but here’s my hope. 596 00:26:59,839 –> 00:27:02,880 I will go to him. 597 00:27:04,420 –> 00:27:05,459 And I am saying to you today 598 00:27:05,459 –> 00:27:06,380 from that scripture 599 00:27:06,380 –> 00:27:08,500 that is the assurance 600 00:27:08,500 –> 00:27:12,520 of every Christian parent. 601 00:27:12,520 –> 00:27:15,579 I will go to him. 602 00:27:15,579 –> 00:27:17,979 I am going to see him again. 603 00:27:17,979 –> 00:27:20,060 I am going to know him. 604 00:27:20,060 –> 00:27:22,380 I am going to enjoy him 605 00:27:22,380 –> 00:27:24,900 and he, me. 606 00:27:24,900 –> 00:27:27,060 Now let’s take a step further 607 00:27:27,060 –> 00:27:29,520 and ask this question. 608 00:27:29,599 –> 00:27:31,540 What about 609 00:27:31,540 –> 00:27:33,979 the millions of children 610 00:27:33,979 –> 00:27:35,300 whose fathers and mothers 611 00:27:35,300 –> 00:27:38,619 were not believers? 612 00:27:38,619 –> 00:27:42,140 Can we have the same hope for them? 613 00:27:42,140 –> 00:27:43,479 And I believe that the answer 614 00:27:43,479 –> 00:27:44,699 to that is yes. 615 00:27:44,699 –> 00:27:46,359 Yes, we can. 616 00:27:46,359 –> 00:27:47,339 Let me give you my reason 617 00:27:47,339 –> 00:27:49,119 for saying this. 618 00:27:49,119 –> 00:27:51,020 Think of the words of Jesus. 619 00:27:51,020 –> 00:27:53,520 Mark 10 and verse 14. 620 00:27:53,520 –> 00:27:54,319 Jesus said, 621 00:27:54,319 –> 00:27:57,420 Let the children come to me 622 00:27:57,420 –> 00:27:59,959 and do not hinder them, 623 00:27:59,959 –> 00:28:01,760 for to such belongs 624 00:28:01,760 –> 00:28:04,020 the kingdom of God. 625 00:28:04,020 –> 00:28:05,400 Don’t hinder the children, 626 00:28:05,400 –> 00:28:06,420 Jesus says, 627 00:28:06,420 –> 00:28:08,459 because to such belongs 628 00:28:08,459 –> 00:28:11,060 the kingdom of God. 629 00:28:11,060 –> 00:28:11,660 Now I know 630 00:28:11,660 –> 00:28:12,920 that in other places 631 00:28:12,920 –> 00:28:14,839 Jesus makes the point 632 00:28:14,839 –> 00:28:16,819 that entering the kingdom 633 00:28:16,819 –> 00:28:18,140 involves coming to him 634 00:28:18,140 –> 00:28:21,640 with a childlike faith 635 00:28:21,640 –> 00:28:22,979 but that is not what 636 00:28:22,979 –> 00:28:24,520 Jesus is saying here. 637 00:28:24,520 –> 00:28:25,819 Here, Jesus is talking 638 00:28:25,819 –> 00:28:26,719 about infants. 639 00:28:26,719 –> 00:28:28,920 He’s talking about little children 640 00:28:28,920 –> 00:28:31,660 and he says to such belongs 641 00:28:31,660 –> 00:28:35,439 the kingdom of God. 642 00:28:35,439 –> 00:28:36,400 On another occasion, 643 00:28:36,400 –> 00:28:37,479 Matthew tells us that 644 00:28:37,479 –> 00:28:39,939 Jesus called a child to him. 645 00:28:39,939 –> 00:28:41,020 The child stood 646 00:28:41,020 –> 00:28:42,760 together with the group of disciples 647 00:28:42,760 –> 00:28:44,719 and Jesus taught in Matthew 18 648 00:28:44,719 –> 00:28:46,560 many wonderful things 649 00:28:46,560 –> 00:28:49,400 in relation to children. 650 00:28:49,400 –> 00:28:50,079 At the end, 651 00:28:50,079 –> 00:28:51,040 with a little child 652 00:28:51,040 –> 00:28:52,079 right next to him, 653 00:28:52,079 –> 00:28:53,479 with an infant next to him, 654 00:28:53,479 –> 00:28:54,780 he said, 655 00:28:54,780 –> 00:28:56,079 Matthew 18 14 656 00:28:56,079 –> 00:28:58,780 it is not the will of my Father 657 00:28:58,780 –> 00:28:59,780 who is in heaven 658 00:28:59,780 –> 00:29:02,020 that one of these little ones 659 00:29:02,020 –> 00:29:03,939 should perish. 660 00:29:03,939 –> 00:29:06,060 It is not the will of my Father 661 00:29:06,060 –> 00:29:06,739 in heaven 662 00:29:06,739 –> 00:29:10,400 that one of these little ones 663 00:29:10,400 –> 00:29:11,180 should perish. 664 00:29:11,180 –> 00:29:13,520 And he’s talking about infants. 665 00:29:13,520 –> 00:29:17,520 He’s talking about infants. 666 00:29:17,619 –> 00:29:19,619 Now, friends. 667 00:29:19,660 –> 00:29:22,199 We need to be very careful 668 00:29:22,400 –> 00:29:26,339 and very thoughtful here. 669 00:29:26,479 –> 00:29:29,280 Infants and unborn children 670 00:29:29,280 –> 00:29:31,439 are obviously not guilty 671 00:29:31,439 –> 00:29:35,300 of actual transgressions, 672 00:29:35,300 –> 00:29:37,060 but we cannot pronounce them 673 00:29:37,060 –> 00:29:38,020 innocent 674 00:29:38,020 –> 00:29:41,020 if we take the Bible seriously. 675 00:29:41,760 –> 00:29:43,859 Sin came into the world 676 00:29:43,859 –> 00:29:46,300 through one man 677 00:29:46,300 –> 00:29:48,060 and death 678 00:29:48,060 –> 00:29:50,199 comes through sin 679 00:29:50,199 –> 00:29:52,140 to all. 680 00:29:52,640 –> 00:29:56,699 There is no human person 681 00:29:56,699 –> 00:29:58,040 in the womb 682 00:29:58,040 –> 00:29:59,660 or born into the world 683 00:29:59,660 –> 00:30:01,300 who is not, in some way, 684 00:30:01,300 –> 00:30:02,260 caught up 685 00:30:02,260 –> 00:30:04,920 with the reality of the 686 00:30:04,920 –> 00:30:07,040 sinfulness, fallenness 687 00:30:07,040 –> 00:30:09,400 of the human race. 688 00:30:09,579 –> 00:30:11,400 Morris Roberts says it well. 689 00:30:11,400 –> 00:30:13,459 Infants who die 690 00:30:13,459 –> 00:30:14,599 have not committed 691 00:30:14,599 –> 00:30:16,119 actual transgressions 692 00:30:16,119 –> 00:30:17,420 but 693 00:30:17,439 –> 00:30:19,380 they die because Adam’s 694 00:30:19,380 –> 00:30:22,300 sin is imputed to them. 695 00:30:22,660 –> 00:30:24,180 Death cannot carry away 696 00:30:24,180 –> 00:30:25,780 the sinless 697 00:30:25,780 –> 00:30:26,880 or those to whom sin 698 00:30:26,880 –> 00:30:28,680 is not imputed. 699 00:30:28,979 –> 00:30:30,739 If it were the case 700 00:30:30,739 –> 00:30:32,239 that if a child were innocent 701 00:30:32,239 –> 00:30:33,459 no child would ever die 702 00:30:33,459 –> 00:30:35,079 because 703 00:30:35,079 –> 00:30:36,199 the wages of sin is death. 704 00:30:36,199 –> 00:30:37,520 So there’s some connection, 705 00:30:37,520 –> 00:30:38,800 you see, of sin 706 00:30:38,800 –> 00:30:40,060 in every human life 707 00:30:40,060 –> 00:30:40,979 in the womb 708 00:30:40,979 –> 00:30:42,400 and born into the world 709 00:30:42,400 –> 00:30:43,540 right from the very beginning. 710 00:30:43,540 –> 00:30:44,719 That is why David said, 711 00:30:44,719 –> 00:30:46,239 you remember Psalm 51 712 00:30:46,239 –> 00:30:47,060 and verse 5, 713 00:30:47,060 –> 00:30:48,520 he said, 714 00:30:48,520 –> 00:30:50,339 in sin 715 00:30:50,339 –> 00:30:51,439 did my mother 716 00:30:51,439 –> 00:30:53,119 conceive me 717 00:30:53,119 –> 00:30:55,079 so this is a specific 718 00:30:55,079 –> 00:30:56,800 statement about conception 719 00:30:57,839 –> 00:30:58,780 and he’s saying 720 00:30:58,780 –> 00:31:00,359 sin is involved 721 00:31:00,359 –> 00:31:02,000 right from 722 00:31:02,000 –> 00:31:03,099 the moment of conception 723 00:31:03,099 –> 00:31:04,300 you see, it’s so bound up 724 00:31:04,300 –> 00:31:05,540 with what it means to be human 725 00:31:05,540 –> 00:31:07,020 to be descended from Adam 726 00:31:07,020 –> 00:31:09,859 and he’s not saying 727 00:31:09,859 –> 00:31:11,219 in Psalm 51 728 00:31:11,219 –> 00:31:11,939 when he says, 729 00:31:11,939 –> 00:31:13,099 in sin did my mother conceive me 730 00:31:13,099 –> 00:31:14,319 he’s not saying 731 00:31:14,319 –> 00:31:15,319 that I was conceived 732 00:31:15,420 –> 00:31:17,079 as the result of a sinful act 733 00:31:17,079 –> 00:31:18,140 that was not the case 734 00:31:18,160 –> 00:31:19,920 he was conceived 735 00:31:19,920 –> 00:31:20,599 because of the union 736 00:31:20,599 –> 00:31:21,560 of his father and the mother 737 00:31:21,560 –> 00:31:23,979 what he’s saying is 738 00:31:23,979 –> 00:31:25,300 that every human life 739 00:31:25,300 –> 00:31:26,280 that is conceived 740 00:31:26,280 –> 00:31:27,439 is because it is 741 00:31:27,439 –> 00:31:28,520 a fallen human life 742 00:31:28,520 –> 00:31:29,579 and comes from 743 00:31:29,579 –> 00:31:30,680 fallen human parents 744 00:31:30,680 –> 00:31:32,680 it is the life of a sinner 745 00:31:32,680 –> 00:31:33,760 from conception 746 00:31:35,300 –> 00:31:36,599 so I plead with you 747 00:31:36,599 –> 00:31:38,099 as we try to be 748 00:31:38,099 –> 00:31:39,540 Biblical Christians 749 00:31:39,540 –> 00:31:41,219 let’s try, as you grow 750 00:31:41,219 –> 00:31:41,800 as a Christian 751 00:31:41,800 –> 00:31:42,979 to use language 752 00:31:42,979 –> 00:31:43,920 that reflects the fact 753 00:31:43,920 –> 00:31:44,699 that you’ve thought 754 00:31:44,739 –> 00:31:45,739 about the Bible 755 00:31:46,900 –> 00:31:48,719 never use the word 756 00:31:48,780 –> 00:31:49,520 innocent 757 00:31:50,300 –> 00:31:51,880 in relation to any 758 00:31:51,880 –> 00:31:53,000 descendant of Adam 759 00:31:53,000 –> 00:31:54,280 born or unborn 760 00:31:54,280 –> 00:31:55,640 in related to our 761 00:31:55,640 –> 00:31:56,760 standing before God 762 00:31:56,760 –> 00:31:57,760 it’s not the right word 763 00:31:57,760 –> 00:31:58,699 to use 764 00:31:58,780 –> 00:32:00,760 it doesn’t mean anything 765 00:32:00,760 –> 00:32:02,760 innocent is never 766 00:32:02,760 –> 00:32:04,760 an appropriate 767 00:32:04,760 –> 00:32:06,760 word to use 768 00:32:06,760 –> 00:32:08,760 of any descendant 769 00:32:08,760 –> 00:32:10,000 of Adam 770 00:32:10,000 –> 00:32:11,540 born or unborn 771 00:32:11,540 –> 00:32:13,540 when it comes 772 00:32:13,540 –> 00:32:15,319 to a relationship 773 00:32:15,319 –> 00:32:16,099 with God 774 00:32:16,319 –> 00:32:17,079 not if you’re taking 775 00:32:17,079 –> 00:32:18,140 the Bible seriously 776 00:32:18,140 –> 00:32:18,699 not if 777 00:32:18,780 –> 00:32:19,520 you’ve understood 778 00:32:19,520 –> 00:32:21,520 as in Adam all died 779 00:32:21,520 –> 00:32:22,560 not if you’ve understood 780 00:32:22,560 –> 00:32:23,579 what David says about 781 00:32:23,579 –> 00:32:24,579 in sin did my mother 782 00:32:24,579 –> 00:32:25,079 conceive me 783 00:32:25,079 –> 00:32:25,939 how can you then say 784 00:32:25,939 –> 00:32:26,599 innocent 785 00:32:26,599 –> 00:32:27,319 it’s just 786 00:32:27,579 –> 00:32:28,579 it’s not taking the 787 00:32:28,579 –> 00:32:29,719 Bible seriously 788 00:32:30,739 –> 00:32:31,599 so I’m saying 789 00:32:31,599 –> 00:32:32,119 we have to be more 790 00:32:32,119 –> 00:32:33,239 thoughtful than that 791 00:32:35,239 –> 00:32:36,339 so children 792 00:32:36,339 –> 00:32:37,520 cannot arrive in heaven 793 00:32:37,520 –> 00:32:38,880 because they’re innocent 794 00:32:39,839 –> 00:32:41,780 not of course 795 00:32:42,660 –> 00:32:43,680 could any child 796 00:32:43,680 –> 00:32:44,819 arrive in heaven 797 00:32:44,819 –> 00:32:46,819 because of baptism 798 00:32:46,979 –> 00:32:47,739 that’s another great 799 00:32:47,739 –> 00:32:48,699 error isn’t it 800 00:32:48,699 –> 00:32:49,459 I mean seriously 801 00:32:49,459 –> 00:32:50,359 how could it be 802 00:32:50,359 –> 00:32:51,140 that the eternal 803 00:32:51,140 –> 00:32:52,680 destiny 804 00:32:52,680 –> 00:32:53,640 of a child 805 00:32:53,640 –> 00:32:54,520 hangs on a right 806 00:32:54,520 –> 00:32:55,239 that is performed 807 00:32:55,239 –> 00:32:56,459 by a man 808 00:32:56,459 –> 00:32:57,300 these things are in 809 00:32:57,300 –> 00:32:58,040 the hands of God 810 00:32:58,040 –> 00:33:00,040 not the hands of man 811 00:33:01,180 –> 00:33:01,680 and children 812 00:33:01,680 –> 00:33:03,020 who die in infancy 813 00:33:03,020 –> 00:33:03,520 the unborn 814 00:33:03,520 –> 00:33:04,079 have never heard 815 00:33:04,079 –> 00:33:04,579 the Gospel 816 00:33:06,459 –> 00:33:06,959 they were not in a 817 00:33:06,959 –> 00:33:07,660 position to 818 00:33:07,660 –> 00:33:09,660 exercise faith 819 00:33:10,599 –> 00:33:11,739 so on 820 00:33:11,739 –> 00:33:12,260 what basis 821 00:33:12,260 –> 00:33:12,979 could you 822 00:33:12,979 –> 00:33:13,900 as a serious 823 00:33:13,900 –> 00:33:14,479 Bible believing 824 00:33:14,479 –> 00:33:14,979 thoughtful 825 00:33:14,979 –> 00:33:15,479 Christian 826 00:33:16,560 –> 00:33:17,520 on what basis 827 00:33:17,520 –> 00:33:18,020 could I 828 00:33:18,020 –> 00:33:18,520 as a pastor 829 00:33:19,380 –> 00:33:19,880 believe 830 00:33:20,479 –> 00:33:20,979 or say 831 00:33:21,739 –> 00:33:22,300 that a child 832 00:33:22,300 –> 00:33:22,800 who died in 833 00:33:22,800 –> 00:33:23,859 infancy 834 00:33:23,859 –> 00:33:25,140 or before birth 835 00:33:25,880 –> 00:33:26,380 enjoys 836 00:33:26,380 –> 00:33:27,060 the life of heaven 837 00:33:27,060 –> 00:33:27,560 what basis 838 00:33:27,560 –> 00:33:28,280 would we have 839 00:33:28,280 –> 00:33:28,780 for saying that 840 00:33:28,780 –> 00:33:29,479 or hoping that 841 00:33:31,040 –> 00:33:31,640 now hear me 842 00:33:31,640 –> 00:33:32,140 clearly 843 00:33:32,140 –> 00:33:32,640 and I’m going 844 00:33:32,640 –> 00:33:33,140 to say this twice 845 00:33:35,020 –> 00:33:35,520 we 846 00:33:35,520 –> 00:33:36,020 do not 847 00:33:36,020 –> 00:33:36,520 have 848 00:33:36,520 –> 00:33:37,020 a direct 849 00:33:37,020 –> 00:33:37,520 word 850 00:33:37,520 –> 00:33:38,339 of scripture 851 00:33:38,339 –> 00:33:39,640 on this 852 00:33:40,599 –> 00:33:42,599 I’m going to say it again 853 00:33:43,699 –> 00:33:44,199 we do not 854 00:33:44,199 –> 00:33:45,180 have 855 00:33:45,180 –> 00:33:46,000 a direct 856 00:33:46,000 –> 00:33:46,819 word 857 00:33:46,839 –> 00:33:47,339 of scripture 858 00:33:47,339 –> 00:33:48,760 on this 859 00:33:50,819 –> 00:33:51,319 but 860 00:33:52,800 –> 00:33:53,300 Christians 861 00:33:53,300 –> 00:33:53,920 through the 862 00:33:53,920 –> 00:33:54,420 ages 863 00:33:54,560 –> 00:33:55,540 have reflected 864 00:33:57,540 –> 00:33:58,099 on how what we know 865 00:33:58,099 –> 00:34:00,140 from the bible 866 00:34:00,140 –> 00:34:01,359 applies to this very important 867 00:34:01,359 –> 00:34:01,859 and very personal 868 00:34:01,859 –> 00:34:02,359 question 869 00:34:06,119 –> 00:34:08,120 so with that caveat 870 00:34:08,120 –> 00:34:08,620 let me share 871 00:34:08,620 –> 00:34:09,120 one or two 872 00:34:09,340 –> 00:34:09,840 general expressions 873 00:34:09,840 –> 00:34:10,340 on the scripture 874 00:34:10,340 –> 00:34:11,840 the first 875 00:34:12,939 –> 00:34:13,439 the words of the 876 00:34:13,439 –> 00:34:14,959 Westminster 877 00:34:14,959 –> 00:34:15,459 Confession 878 00:34:15,459 –> 00:34:15,959 a very great 879 00:34:15,959 –> 00:34:16,459 and historic 880 00:34:16,459 –> 00:34:16,959 statement 881 00:34:18,459 –> 00:34:18,959 of biblical faith 882 00:34:18,959 –> 00:34:19,459 that I hasten 883 00:34:19,459 –> 00:34:19,959 that I askin 884 00:34:19,959 –> 00:34:20,459 to add 885 00:34:20,459 –> 00:34:21,120 has no authority 886 00:34:21,120 –> 00:34:21,620 in and of itself 887 00:34:21,620 –> 00:34:23,120 but has value 888 00:34:23,120 –> 00:34:23,620 as the reflection 889 00:34:24,520 –> 00:34:25,159 of mature 890 00:34:25,159 –> 00:34:25,899 Christian 891 00:34:25,899 –> 00:34:26,719 believers 892 00:34:26,719 –> 00:34:27,320 as a 893 00:34:27,320 –> 00:34:27,800 confession 894 00:34:27,800 –> 00:34:28,320 of faith 895 00:34:28,320 –> 00:34:28,800 based on 896 00:34:28,800 –> 00:34:30,820 the scriptures 897 00:34:35,840 –> 00:34:36,479 here’s what the 898 00:34:36,479 –> 00:34:37,520 Westminster 899 00:34:37,520 –> 00:34:38,159 confession 900 00:34:38,159 –> 00:34:38,800 says 901 00:34:38,800 –> 00:34:39,520 which can say 902 00:34:39,520 –> 00:34:40,040 are 903 00:34:40,040 –> 00:34:40,540 regenerated 904 00:34:40,540 –> 00:34:41,040 and 905 00:34:41,040 –> 00:34:41,540 saved 906 00:34:41,540 –> 00:34:42,040 by 907 00:34:42,040 –> 00:34:43,040 Christ 908 00:34:43,040 –> 00:34:44,040 through the 909 00:34:44,040 –> 00:34:45,620 spirit 910 00:34:45,620 –> 00:34:46,239 who works 911 00:34:46,239 –> 00:34:46,760 when 912 00:34:46,760 –> 00:34:48,280 and where 913 00:34:48,280 –> 00:34:48,780 and how 914 00:34:48,780 –> 00:34:50,399 he pleases 915 00:34:51,540 –> 00:34:52,179 so also 916 00:34:52,179 –> 00:34:52,639 are all 917 00:34:52,639 –> 00:34:53,139 other 918 00:34:53,139 –> 00:34:53,860 elected 919 00:34:53,860 –> 00:34:54,500 persons 920 00:34:57,000 –> 00:34:58,919 who are 921 00:34:58,919 –> 00:34:59,540 incapable 922 00:34:59,540 –> 00:35:00,179 of being 923 00:35:00,179 –> 00:35:00,639 outwardly 924 00:35:00,639 –> 00:35:01,139 called 925 00:35:02,379 –> 00:35:02,979 the ministry 926 00:35:02,979 –> 00:35:03,820 of the word 927 00:35:06,959 –> 00:35:07,459 last that 928 00:35:07,459 –> 00:35:07,959 it 929 00:35:07,959 –> 00:35:08,580 remains 930 00:35:08,919 –> 00:35:09,520 to do 931 00:35:09,520 –> 00:35:10,419 is 932 00:35:31,959 –> 00:35:32,540 those 933 00:35:32,540 –> 00:35:33,340 who are 934 00:35:33,340 –> 00:35:33,399 incapable 935 00:35:34,699 –> 00:35:35,199 of 936 00:35:35,500 –> 00:35:36,000 being 937 00:35:36,000 –> 00:35:36,600 outwardly 938 00:35:36,600 –> 00:35:37,260 called 939 00:35:37,780 –> 00:35:38,379 bought 940 00:35:38,379 –> 00:35:38,959 by the ministry 941 00:35:38,959 –> 00:35:39,419 of 942 00:35:39,419 –> 00:35:39,820 the word 943 00:35:39,820 –> 00:35:40,280 what the 944 00:35:40,280 –> 00:35:40,919 confession 945 00:35:40,919 –> 00:35:41,379 is saying 946 00:35:42,919 –> 00:35:43,459 is that God 947 00:35:43,459 –> 00:35:43,919 has his own 948 00:35:43,919 –> 00:35:44,500 way of 949 00:35:44,500 –> 00:35:45,239 bringing new 950 00:35:45,239 –> 00:35:45,800 life to them 951 00:35:45,800 –> 00:35:46,959 and the making 952 00:35:46,959 –> 00:35:46,959 953 00:35:46,959 –> 00:35:48,000 one with 954 00:35:48,000 –> 00:35:49,060 Jesus Christ 955 00:35:50,840 –> 00:35:52,439 God is able to 956 00:35:52,439 –> 00:35:53,060 regenerate 957 00:35:53,060 –> 00:35:53,300 them 958 00:35:53,300 –> 00:35:53,760 Notice that 959 00:35:53,760 –> 00:35:54,060 word 960 00:35:54,060 –> 00:35:54,540 That means 961 00:35:54,540 –> 00:35:55,139 bring new 962 00:35:55,139 –> 00:35:56,100 life to them 963 00:35:56,100 –> 00:35:57,340 God is able 964 00:35:57,340 –> 00:35:57,800 to save 965 00:35:57,800 –> 00:35:57,979 them 966 00:35:57,979 –> 00:35:58,580 by Christ 967 00:35:58,580 –> 00:36:00,300 through the 968 00:36:00,300 –> 00:36:00,840 Holy Spirit 969 00:36:00,840 –> 00:36:01,100 and he 970 00:36:01,100 –> 00:36:01,439 can do 971 00:36:01,439 –> 00:36:01,919 this 972 00:36:01,919 –> 00:36:02,479 the confession 973 00:36:02,479 –> 00:36:03,179 says because 974 00:36:03,179 –> 00:36:03,879 he’s 975 00:36:03,879 –> 00:36:04,379 God 976 00:36:04,379 –> 00:36:05,020 where and 977 00:36:05,020 –> 00:36:05,780 how and 978 00:36:05,780 –> 00:36:07,020 when he 979 00:36:07,020 –> 00:36:08,340 belongs 980 00:36:08,340 –> 00:36:10,080 He takes an 981 00:36:10,080 –> 00:36:11,320 illustration to 982 00:36:11,320 –> 00:36:11,979 try and picture 983 00:36:11,979 –> 00:36:12,719 this for you 984 00:36:12,719 –> 00:36:13,120 You have all heard 985 00:36:13,120 –> 00:36:13,560 stories or 986 00:36:13,560 –> 00:36:14,280 perhaps seen 987 00:36:14,280 –> 00:36:14,879 films 988 00:36:14,879 –> 00:36:15,919 about a 989 00:36:15,919 –> 00:36:16,360 computer 990 00:36:16,360 –> 00:36:16,520 programmer 991 00:36:16,520 –> 00:36:17,560 who 992 00:36:17,560 –> 00:36:18,199 will 993 00:36:18,199 –> 00:36:18,899 generate a 994 00:36:18,899 –> 00:36:20,000 marvellous 995 00:36:20,000 –> 00:36:20,719 and complex 996 00:36:20,719 –> 00:36:21,100 program 997 00:36:21,100 –> 00:36:21,919 and that’s 998 00:36:21,919 –> 00:36:22,300 then delivered 999 00:36:22,300 –> 00:36:23,020 to a huge 1000 00:36:23,020 –> 00:36:23,360 business 1001 00:36:23,360 –> 00:36:24,199 and runs 1002 00:36:24,199 –> 00:36:24,600 these 1003 00:36:24,600 –> 00:36:24,959 marvelous 1004 00:36:24,959 –> 00:36:25,659 systems 1005 00:36:25,659 –> 00:36:26,100 And so 1006 00:36:26,100 –> 00:36:26,659 forth 1007 00:36:26,659 –> 00:36:27,239 and so on 1008 00:36:27,239 –> 00:36:28,939 And sometimes 1009 00:36:28,939 –> 00:36:29,840 a computer 1010 00:36:29,840 –> 00:36:30,600 programmer 1011 00:36:30,600 –> 00:36:31,399 will leave a 1012 00:36:31,399 –> 00:36:31,979 backdoor 1013 00:36:31,979 –> 00:36:32,340 a secret 1014 00:36:32,340 –> 00:36:33,540 backdoor 1015 00:36:33,540 –> 00:36:34,340 known only 1016 00:36:34,340 –> 00:36:35,580 to him 1017 00:36:35,580 –> 00:36:36,100 by which he 1018 00:36:36,100 –> 00:36:36,419 can access 1019 00:36:36,419 –> 00:36:36,840 the 1020 00:36:36,860 –> 00:36:37,919 oration 1021 00:36:37,919 –> 00:36:38,320 if he 1022 00:36:38,320 –> 00:36:38,560 should need 1023 00:36:38,560 –> 00:36:40,540 to 1024 00:36:40,540 –> 00:36:41,939 And 1025 00:36:41,939 –> 00:36:43,139 cute 1026 00:36:43,139 –> 00:36:43,840 is saying 1027 00:36:43,840 –> 00:36:44,340 to us 1028 00:36:44,340 –> 00:36:44,699 here 1029 00:36:44,699 –> 00:36:45,060 can put 1030 00:36:45,060 –> 00:36:45,600 it in 1031 00:36:45,600 –> 00:36:46,340 this 1032 00:36:46,340 –> 00:36:47,300 language 1033 00:36:47,300 –> 00:36:47,760 Is that 1034 00:36:47,760 –> 00:36:48,500 God 1035 00:36:48,500 –> 00:36:49,000 has 1036 00:36:49,000 –> 00:36:49,280 a 1037 00:36:49,280 –> 00:36:49,800 back 1038 00:36:49,800 –> 00:36:50,379 door 1039 00:36:50,379 –> 00:36:50,679 into 1040 00:36:50,679 –> 00:36:50,780 the 1041 00:36:50,780 –> 00:36:51,300 hearts 1042 00:36:51,300 –> 00:36:52,199 of 1043 00:36:52,199 –> 00:36:53,300 infants 1044 00:36:53,300 –> 00:36:53,699 And 1045 00:36:53,699 –> 00:36:54,500 into 1046 00:36:54,500 –> 00:36:54,639 the 1047 00:36:54,639 –> 00:36:55,080 hearts 1048 00:36:55,080 –> 00:36:55,280 of 1049 00:36:55,280 –> 00:36:55,780 those 1050 00:36:55,780 –> 00:36:55,820 who are 1051 00:36:55,820 –> 00:36:56,040 not 1052 00:36:56,040 –> 00:36:57,479 cape 1053 00:36:57,479 –> 00:36:57,979 mel 1054 00:36:57,979 –> 00:36:58,840 of 1055 00:36:58,840 –> 00:36:58,919 being 1056 00:36:58,919 –> 00:36:59,679 called 1057 00:36:59,679 –> 00:37:00,979 by 1058 00:37:00,979 –> 00:37:01,120 the 1059 00:37:01,120 –> 00:37:03,080 gospel 1060 00:37:03,080 –> 00:37:03,340 You 1061 00:37:03,340 –> 00:37:03,360 say 1062 00:37:03,360 –> 00:37:03,540 well 1063 00:37:03,540 –> 00:37:03,620 can 1064 00:37:03,620 –> 00:37:03,739 you 1065 00:37:03,739 –> 00:37:04,020 think 1066 00:37:04,020 –> 00:37:04,080 of 1067 00:37:04,080 –> 00:37:04,439 anything 1068 00:37:04,439 –> 00:37:04,560 in 1069 00:37:04,560 –> 00:37:04,659 the 1070 00:37:04,659 –> 00:37:04,979 bible 1071 00:37:04,979 –> 00:37:05,159 that 1072 00:37:05,159 –> 00:37:05,320 might 1073 00:37:05,320 –> 00:37:05,520 give 1074 00:37:05,520 –> 00:37:05,780 some 1075 00:37:05,780 –> 00:37:05,879 kind 1076 00:37:05,879 –> 00:37:05,959 of 1077 00:37:05,959 –> 00:37:06,159 support 1078 00:37:06,159 –> 00:37:06,320 to 1079 00:37:06,360 –> 00:37:06,780 that 1080 00:37:06,780 –> 00:37:07,300 Let 1081 00:37:07,300 –> 00:37:07,399 me 1082 00:37:07,399 –> 00:37:07,699 give 1083 00:37:07,699 –> 00:37:08,179 you 1084 00:37:08,179 –> 00:37:09,179 this 1085 00:37:09,179 –> 00:37:12,899 When 1086 00:37:12,899 –> 00:37:13,100 was 1087 00:37:13,100 –> 00:37:13,379 the 1088 00:37:13,379 –> 00:37:13,919 baptist 1089 00:37:13,919 –> 00:37:14,419 filled 1090 00:37:14,419 –> 00:37:14,719 with the 1091 00:37:14,719 –> 00:37:16,280 spirit 1092 00:37:16,280 –> 00:37:16,520 When 1093 00:37:16,520 –> 00:37:16,820 was 1094 00:37:16,820 –> 00:37:18,040 john 1095 00:37:18,040 –> 00:37:18,239 the 1096 00:37:18,239 –> 00:37:18,260 baptism 1097 00:37:18,260 –> 00:37:18,780 filled 1098 00:37:18,780 –> 00:37:22,080 with the 1099 00:37:22,100 –> 00:37:30,280 tr 1100 00:37:30,280 –> 00:37:52,120 So 1101 00:37:52,120 –> 00:37:59,639 if 1102 00:37:59,639 –> 00:38:29,000 we 1103 00:38:59,000 –> 00:39:06,580 we believe there shall be found written millions of souls who are only shown on 1104 00:39:06,580 –> 00:39:11,120 earth and then stretch their wings for heaven 1105 00:39:11,120 –> 00:39:15,520 Isn’t that a beautiful phrase? Here’s this little life and it was as if God 1106 00:39:15,520 –> 00:39:19,479 just showed the life on earth for a short time and then that little life 1107 00:39:19,479 –> 00:39:23,159 stretched its wings for heaven and he says that our millions like that there 1108 00:39:23,260 –> 00:39:29,179 millions like that we have great hope for them the great theologian Charles 1109 00:39:29,179 –> 00:39:33,780 Hodge believed the same as well as quoting the verse that I have already 1110 00:39:33,780 –> 00:39:38,939 spoken to you offer reminded you all for Jesus words about the little 1111 00:39:38,939 –> 00:39:41,679 children and to such belongs the kingdom of God 1112 00:39:41,679 –> 00:39:44,760 Charles Hodge the great theologian says we must take 1113 00:39:44,760 –> 00:39:51,159 seriously the statement from Corinthians that as in Adam all die so 1114 00:39:51,159 –> 00:39:57,040 in Christ all will be made alive and particularly that they all there he 1115 00:39:57,040 –> 00:40:03,679 applies to the unborn and to those who die in infancy and he says this I quote 1116 00:40:03,679 –> 00:40:08,959 Christ looked on them as lambs of the flock for which he is the Good Shepherd 1117 00:40:08,959 –> 00:40:13,600 laid down his life and of whom he said they shall never perish and no man shall 1118 00:40:13,600 –> 00:40:19,780 pluck them out of his hands of such Christ says is the kingdom of heaven of 1119 00:40:20,260 –> 00:40:25,659 such is the kingdom of heaven and Hodges says Christ says this as though heaven 1120 00:40:25,659 –> 00:40:33,219 was in Great Measure composed of the souls of redeemed infants in Great 1121 00:40:33,219 –> 00:40:39,560 Measure Spurgeon makes the same point noting how many children die in infancy 1122 00:40:39,560 –> 00:40:45,659 he was speaking in the year 1861 when he said this and he observed not only in 1123 00:40:45,659 –> 00:40:50,419 London but across the world he said probably 19th century he’s saying 1124 00:40:50,419 –> 00:40:57,239 probably between a third and a half of the entire population of the world die 1125 00:40:57,239 –> 00:41:05,739 in infancy and he says then may it not be that infrent souls quote 1126 00:41:05,739 –> 00:41:13,620 constitute the great majority close quote in heaven he adds it is a sweet 1127 00:41:14,159 –> 00:41:19,939 to my own mind that there will be more saved than lost for in all things Christ 1128 00:41:19,939 –> 00:41:26,820 is to have the preeminence and why not in this 1129 00:41:26,820 –> 00:41:29,719 I told you twice and I say third time we have no 1130 00:41:29,719 –> 00:41:37,520 directly addresses this but I have applied two or three scriptures as much 1131 00:41:38,360 –> 00:41:44,560 greater men of God have sought to apply Scriptures to this intensely acute 1132 00:41:44,560 –> 00:41:50,139 pastoral question and I lay that before you for your comfort for your 1133 00:41:50,139 –> 00:41:56,219 encouragement for your consideration and your evaluation. And I hope for your joy 1134 00:41:56,219 –> 00:42:02,679 Now of course as we think about these things folks ask questions like this 1135 00:42:02,760 –> 00:42:05,120 Well now this is wonderful to think about what will these 1136 00:42:05,120 –> 00:42:10,639 children be like. Will they still be children in heaven? No I don’t think so 1137 00:42:11,020 –> 00:42:16,159 If someone lives to the age of over a hundred and runs out of steam and has no 1138 00:42:16,159 –> 00:42:19,040 energy and so forth are they going to be over a hundred for the rest of eternity 1139 00:42:19,040 –> 00:42:24,399 in heaven? No, of course not. Of course not! No, the whole point of the 1140 00:42:24,399 –> 00:42:28,719 resurrection life is that every being created by God and redeemed in Jesus 1141 00:42:28,719 –> 00:42:35,600 Christ reaches their full power and their full potential, becomes everything 1142 00:42:35,600 –> 00:42:41,600 that they can be for Christ reflecting his glory forever and forever. Those who 1143 00:42:41,600 –> 00:42:48,959 died old and those who died young one of the delights of heaven for millions of 1144 00:42:48,959 –> 00:42:54,280 mothers and fathers who conceived a child whose life in this world was ended 1145 00:42:54,280 –> 00:43:00,739 early will be to see with joy what your little boy what your little girl became 1146 00:43:00,739 –> 00:43:10,320 and is for all eternity one more thing our time is nearly gone 1147 00:43:10,320 –> 00:43:21,000 what will it be like for those fathers and mothers who made a choice to end the 1148 00:43:21,100 –> 00:43:29,300 life of an unborn child chose to have an abortion and now have come to bitterly 1149 00:43:29,300 –> 00:43:33,520 regret that choice that was made and have come in repentance and placed that 1150 00:43:33,520 –> 00:43:42,780 under the blood of Jesus and you’re in Christ or today you might come to be in 1151 00:43:42,959 –> 00:43:54,219 Christ what would it be like for you on that day let me give you an analogy for 1152 00:43:54,219 –> 00:44:00,080 your hope and for your comfort as you often perhaps think about this and the 1153 00:44:00,080 –> 00:44:05,280 shadow hangs over you I want you to hold on to this in the Old Testament 1154 00:44:05,280 –> 00:44:11,500 there’s a beautiful story of a man called Joseph and his brothers did great 1155 00:44:11,540 –> 00:44:21,060 evil against him they put him in a pit and their choice was for him to die it 1156 00:44:21,060 –> 00:44:28,340 was a terrible thing to do it was an awful evil but God did not leave Joseph 1157 00:44:28,340 –> 00:44:32,300 in the pit God delivered him and brought him to 1158 00:44:32,300 –> 00:44:38,139 the palace of a king and you remember the story that the day came when Joseph’s 1159 00:44:38,139 –> 00:44:42,979 brothers who had done this great evil to him were also brought to the palace and 1160 00:44:42,979 –> 00:44:49,479 when they arrived there they didn’t know Joseph at first but he certainly knew 1161 00:44:49,479 –> 00:44:53,939 and when he told them who he was of course their first reaction by instinct 1162 00:44:53,939 –> 00:44:59,479 was fear but Joseph said this you can read it in Genesis 45 he said do not be 1163 00:44:59,479 –> 00:45:06,659 distressed or angry with yourselves do not be distressed or angry with 1164 00:45:06,659 –> 00:45:16,939 yourselves he said God sent me before you God sent me before you friends the 1165 00:45:16,939 –> 00:45:22,620 evil that these brothers did to Joseph was very great but the Redeemer who 1166 00:45:22,620 –> 00:45:27,540 saved Joseph and then saved the brothers who had done the evil is even greater 1167 00:45:27,540 –> 00:45:33,560 and I’m suggesting today that that is how it will be for you and for your 1168 00:45:33,820 –> 00:45:39,439 son or daughter in the presence of Jesus if you are truly a person in Christ or 1169 00:45:39,439 –> 00:45:43,780 if you will come to Christ and if he will be your Redeemer and your Savior 1170 00:45:43,780 –> 00:45:57,479 today and God will wipe all tears from our eyes let’s pray together father 1171 00:45:57,479 –> 00:46:02,959 hasten that day when faith will be turned to sight and receive our thanks 1172 00:46:03,040 –> 00:46:09,439 now come around this table and worship the Savior who’s at the center of it all 1173 00:46:09,439 –> 00:46:14,159 in his name we pray

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