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We all know that the hardest trials are not the ones that hurt the deepest.
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The hardest trials are those that endure the longest.
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And so this is a psalm that speaks to the situations of our lives.
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Welcome to Open the Bible. With Pastor Colin Smith, I’m David Pick. I’m glad you could be with us today.
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What we just heard Colin about enduring trials may be surprising to some people.
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But when you think about it, enduring pain or trial over a long term, is really the hardest thing to bear.
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It really is.
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You may have been in a situation where you would say, you know
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I could endure almost any amount of pain as long as I know
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that it’s for a limited period of time and that there’s light at the end of the tunnel.
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But when you feel that a situation just going on and on and on and it’s
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unresolved and you don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel, that’s where it becomes really draining.
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And how wonderful that the psalm we’re looking at today
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is given to us by the Holy Spirit of God for exactly that kind of situation.
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Here you are in difficulties in a marriage, difficulties in your work and you don’t see an end to this.
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You wonder how long can I endure this? How long oh Lord?
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Well, here’s
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Holy Spirit inspired praying and it’s just for you in a situation
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where you feel you cannot yet see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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So we find that in psalm 13 as we begin this message,
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how to pray when you’re in agony of soul.
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Here’s Colin. Now, will you open your Bible please at Psalm 13?
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Our title today is how to pray when you are in an agony of soul.
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And I think the first thing to say is thank God that this psalm is in the Bible because we need it.
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We live in a suffering world
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and a faith that does not speak
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to human pain, is simply not worth taking seriously.
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Psalm 13 is particularly addressed to struggles that show no sign of ending.
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So four times in the first two verses you have the same question,
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How long?
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How long?
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How long?
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How long?
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And we all know that the hardest trials are not the ones that hurt the deepest.
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The hardest trials are those that endure the longest.
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And so this is a psalm that speaks to these situations of our lives.
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Now sort of beginning with the application which might seem the wrong way around
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but it will tune our minds I think to the use of this psalm
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I would suggest three particular ways in which this psalm may be especially useful to us.
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Particular situations that don’t exist at every point in life
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but will immediately touch today many in our congregation.
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One of these three.
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And for many of us, many more of us
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one of these will touch us at some point in our lives.
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The first of these is the loss of a loved one.
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I’ve been reading this book through the week,
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Lament for a Son by Nicholas Walterstaff.
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Walterstoff went through the tragic loss of his 25 year old son through a climbing accident.
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And in the year that followed that devastating experience
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that a good number in our congregation have also endured,
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he maintained a journal and wrote down
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his many thoughts and his struggles.
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It’s compelling and it is very, very moving.
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He published it clearly.
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And 12 years later, reflecting on his experience,
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this is what he writes.
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Often I am asked whether the grief remains as intense as when I wrote.
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The answer is no, the wound is no longer raw.
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But it has not disappeared.
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And that is how it should be.
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If he was worth loving, he is worth grieving over.
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Grief is testimony to the worth of the loved one, and that worth abides.
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So I own my grief.
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I do not try and put it behind me to get over it or to forget it.
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If someone asks me, who are you, tell me about yourself.
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I say, not immediately, but shortly, I am one who lost a son.
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That determines my identity.
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Not all of it, but much of it.
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It belongs within my story.
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I struggle indeed to go beyond merely owning my grief towards owning it redemptively,
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but I will not, and I cannot disown it.
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And everyone who has been through that experience will know exactly what he is saying.
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Psalm 13 is a lament.
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We spoke about laments earlier in the year when we were in the book of Joel, you may remember,
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and this is a lament that is especially useful
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for any person who walks through a journey of irreplaceable loss.
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Second application, when there is strain in the family.
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James Boyce writes very perceptively on this.
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He describes what I think is actually quite common among, in families, at least at some stage
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of life, but he describes it so well, I just want to quote from him.
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He says, it may be that the happiness of the early days of a marriage
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has been replaced by the stress of trying to work out personality conflicts or other difficulties.
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He describes that very well.
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You may be wondering if God has ceased to bless your marriage.
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Your problems, he says, may involve children.
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You remember the early days when it was comparatively easy to rear them.
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Your family had many good times together, but now one or more of your children is antagonistic
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and everyone else in the family suffers under the inevitable strain, nobody has fun anymore.
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And if you’re in a place where the joy has gone out of life,
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when you feel that you are enduring rather than enjoying, then Psalm 13 is definitely for you.
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Now you are in a marriage where you expected so much, you had such anticipation of continuing
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joy and yet you’re in this strain that seems to be going on of temperaments and personalities
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that just are rubbing the wrong way and you say, how long? And Psalm 13 speaks right into
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the reality of your experience. Third situation, long-term exhaustion.
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Some of you will know about this right now and many others at different times of life,
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here’s what this looks like. You have been carrying a heavy burden that has been trusted to you
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and you have been doing it for a long period of time and now the strain is beginning to tell.
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It may be that you are enduring long-term physical pain or mental anguish or it may
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simply be the sheer weight of responsibility. God has been sustaining you but the longer you go on
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carrying this burden, the heavier it seems to get and you’re becoming more and more aware of that
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and you say, how long, O Lord? Not sure how long I can do this and this Psalm is definitely for you.
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Now if you are not in one of these three situations today, the first thing I want to say to you is
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be very thankful. You say, well, now thank God and then immediately recognize that many of your
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brothers and sisters around you are in one of these situations and that it is very important
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to be sensitive to the needs and to the burdens that are carried by others and then if you have
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been shaped by a form of Christianity that only speaks about prayers being answered,
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and faith that receives, and blessings that abound, you need to take this Psalm and others
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like it seriously because we live in a suffering world and Christians are not exempt from that
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suffering, and anyone who takes the bible seriously has to come to the conclusion
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that those who follow the crucified one cannot expect to live a pain free life.
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God speaks to a suffering world, speaks to human pain,
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one of the greatest chapters of the Bible, surely Romans and Chapter 8.
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How does it begin? There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. How does
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it end? Nothing shall ever separate us from the love of Christ. What does it say in the middle?
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We who have the holy spirit groan inwardly as we await for our adoption as sons,
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the redemption of our bodies. So there’s the reality of experience
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experience between the wonderful knowledge that there’s no condemnation in Christ
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and the sure and certain foundation that nothing can ever separate us from the love of God that
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is in Christ Jesus. What’s the experience of those who have the spirit? Well Paul says it includes
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this. We groan inwardly as we are waiting for the adoption of sons and for the redemption of
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our bodies. Now Psalm 13 is simply a groaning psalm and it is placed in the Bible because
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with the reality of life in this world we all need it. You’re listening to Open the
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Bible with Pastor Colin Smith in a message today called How to Pray When You’re in Agony of Soul.
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now we’re in Psalm 13. Here’s Colin.
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How should you pray when for whatever
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reason
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You find yourself in an agony of soul
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number 1
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Lay out what you feel
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And that’s in the first two verses
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How long O Lord will you forget me forever?
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How long will you hide your face from me?
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How long must I take counsel in my soul and have sorrow in my heart all the day?
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How long shall my enemy be exalted?
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over me
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Now the most striking thing, surely, about these verses
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is that David is speaking here with complete candor
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Absolute frankness
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this is no holds barred saying it like it is in the presence of God
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And David is feeling that he has reached the limit
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of what he can endure in these struggles
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How can I carry on like this, he says to God
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And he lays it all out in the presence of God
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Wonderfully releasing, wonderfully important
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His struggle comes in three parts
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He has a struggle with his enemy
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Whatever he’s up against
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And he says, How long shall my enemy be exalted over me
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Notice that phrase over me
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In other words, he’s feeling that
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Whatever it was that David was facing
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it’s got the upper handle over him
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He’s not on top of it
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It’s on top of him
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It’s over me
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He feels pressed down by it
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He’s not prevailing over it
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If you had said to David
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We’ve got a seminar on Saturday
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called How To Live A Victorious Christian Life
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David would have said
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That’s not for me
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because I’m not living in victory
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I’m feeling that I’m under this thing
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That’s the reality of my experience
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I feel defeated
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I barely know how to keep going
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let alone be victorious
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Second, he’s struggling with himself
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Verse 2
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How long must I take
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Counsel in my soul
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and have sorrow in my heart all day
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Taking counsel in my soul
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in other words
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He’s going round and round in circles
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in his own internal thoughts
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You know what that’s like
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when you’re distressed
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What am I going to do?
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Why didn’t I do this?
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Why didn’t I do the other?
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How am I gonna survive?
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How can I carry on?
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And these relentless questions
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going on in the soul
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and in this situation
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none of them making any progress whatsoever
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There’s never any answer
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Endless conversation
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going on within the soul
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but because he’s only
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taking counsel with himself
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he feels God is so far off
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He never breaks out of this
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cycle of feeling
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completely defeated
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by the whole circumstance
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in which he finds himself
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And then of course the heart of it
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which is why it’s at the beginning
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is his struggle with God
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Oh Lord, will you forget me forever?
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Hide your face from me?
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And here’s the heart of the problem
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that he’s struggling with
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and you know what this is like
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if you’ve been through
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this kind of experience
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why does God seem so far away
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when I need him the most?
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That’s what he’s saying here
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You may be asking the question
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how common is this?
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This is that sort of really
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strange experience
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that David is going through
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Listen to this comment
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again from James Boyce
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that I found helpful
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He says,
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Many people feel abandoned
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first by others
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but ultimately also by God
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believers here
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He goes on to say that
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although this is,
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in his experience,
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a common problem,
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he is surprised by the degree
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to which it is ignored
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I think it is
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because we have been taught
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that Christians are not
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supposed to experience
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such things
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and that we are only to have
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life more abundantly
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or to live
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victoriously
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Well thank God,
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David does speak about it
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and everyone who knows
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this experience will be saying
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Oh thank God,
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the truth of the Bible
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cuts through some of the
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clutter and the
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trite phraseology
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that can so easily exist
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in our world of well-being
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And here’s some real honesty
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of a godly man
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who’s struggling
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with the fact
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that God seems to be
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paying no attention
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to him at the very point
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where his need
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is greatest
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Now, this is the first
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thing that we’re learning
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from this psalm
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What does David do
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in this situation
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He lays it out before the Lord
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He opens up what he feels
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Now friend, doing that
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will not solve the problem
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but it will be helpful
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No relationship with God
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can be sustained
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apart from truthfulness
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integrity, honesty
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And God seeks
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a relationship with you
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that is marked by honesty
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not by pretence
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And it’s actually
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the strength of David’s faith
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It is actually the hunger
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that David has
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for a felt knowledge of God
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that gives rise to this prayer
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that comes out of the very depth
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of his soul
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And so how are you to pray
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when you are in an agony of soul?
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Here is the first thing
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Lay out what you feel
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No holds barred in the
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presence of God
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Have no inhibitions about it
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There is nothing that is
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hidden from Him
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And it is so important
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for you to follow
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the example and the model
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of David here
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That’s the first thing
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Here is the second
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Lift up what you need
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Lift up what you need
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Verses three and four
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Consider and answer me
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Oh, Lord my God
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And here is the heart of his
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request in the prayer
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Light up my eyes
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Lest I sleep in death
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and so on
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Let me try and make this
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very practical for all of us
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here today
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How would you try and help
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a person in your life group
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who this week
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shared with you and
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with the others
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that they felt utterly
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abandoned by God?
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What would you say?
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Now, this may very well
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happen in some groups
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But someone were to say
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now I have been a believer
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for many, many years
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but right now I feel
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that God has forgotten me
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I feel he’s not looking
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in my direction
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it doesn’t his hiding his
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face from me
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What if someone was to say
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in your life group this week
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I have been praying
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and praying and praying
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and I never get an answer
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Someone just say that
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to me this week
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and of course that’s
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something that is often
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a burden for a Christian believer
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God’s hiding his face from me
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I have no sense of his love
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I’ve no sense of his presence
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How would you help them?
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Well, let me make these
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three suggestions to you
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First, it is very important
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to recognize the experience
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and that’s one of the ways
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in which Psalm 13 helps us
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If a mature believer
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like David
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who was a man after
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God’s own heart
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can feel abandoned by God
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then no one should be surprised
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when it happens
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to others among us
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Don’t assume the worst
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about a believer
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who feels like God
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has abandoned them
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You may find that
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with someone within your life group
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someone who is a Christian friend
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says some very strong things
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where they are in the depth of grief
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and you may say
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well how could they possibly
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have said that
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and if you are rooted
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in the Bible
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you will have some understanding
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You will say
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well even David was there
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so recognize the experience
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Second, discern the question
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Now here’s something
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worth remembering
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It is a great mistake
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to assume that everyone who suffers
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is asking the question
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why?
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Many people ask the question
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why when they suffer
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but others ask the question
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how long?
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which is a very different question
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These are totally different questions
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one is a question of meaning
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the other is a question
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of endurance
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and it is very important
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if you want to help
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a person who is suffering
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to discern which of these questions
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they are actually asking
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because the answers
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are quite different
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the approach, the response
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is quite different
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you know, there are many, many Psalms
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that ask the question why
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many Psalms
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My God! My God!
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Why have you forsaken me?
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there is the why question
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Psalm 22
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but look for the word why in this Psalm
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It is not there
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What question is in this Psalm?
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How long?
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Four times
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If you didn’t hear that
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You weren’t listening
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If it’s a person who is speaking to you
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you say
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How long?
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This is not a question
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of making sense
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of suffering
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This is a question
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of finding the strength
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to endure it
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What this is a cry for
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is not for wisdom
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to which you are going to
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give some answer
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but for strength
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and that is why
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it’s so important
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that when the question
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is how am I going to find strength
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what’s the next thing
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that happens in
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Verse 3 and 4
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that you find David
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coming and he is
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asking for help
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If you were to come
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to David
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when he is not
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asking the why question
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he is asking
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the how long question
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and if you were simply
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to say to David
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you know what
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I know it’s years
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after you live
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but one day
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Romans 8, 28
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will be written
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and it says
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God works in all things
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for good
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for those who
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love him
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and so forth
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David
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would not particularly
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helped by that
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He is not asking
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is God good
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He’s asking
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how do I get through
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tomorrow
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and that’s the whole
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point of the prayer
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So he asks for help
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so recognize the problem
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discern the question
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This is about
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how to help our friends
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in dark places
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and then ask for help
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The best thing
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you can do
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for a believer
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who feels
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overwhelmed with their sorrow
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and abandoned by God
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is to come alongside
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and to pray for them
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and to pray
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if they will allow you
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with them
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especially
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when they feel
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that they are not able
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to pray for themselves
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A powerful reminder there
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from Pastor Colin Smith
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that
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when we are with someone
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who is enduring
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a lot of pain
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over a long period
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sometimes God will prompt us
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to come alongside them
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and pray with them
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and for them
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You have been listening
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to Open the Bible
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with Pastor Colin Smith
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and a message called
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How to Pray
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When You Are in Agony of Soul
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This message was originally
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part of a series
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called With Christ
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in the School of Prayer
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and it has been one of the most
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popular,
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streamed,
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downloaded
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and requested programs
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of the past twelve months
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so we are repeating it
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here
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along with other broadcasts
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which have been
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equally popular with listeners
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bundling these together
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If you miss any
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Also on our website
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is Open The Bible Daily
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a series of short
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two to three minute
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